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    • Speaking of the reformatory boys, here they are with all of their supporters, some of whom traveled with them from miles away, all carefully crammed together and photographed to look like there were more than about 80 .. rather like Farages last rally with even fewer people crammed around what looked like an ice cream van or mobile tea bar ... Although a number in the crowd apparently thought they were at a vintage car rally as they appeared to be chanting 'crank-her'. A vintage Bentley must be out of view.   Is this all there is? Its less than the Tory candidate. - shut up and smile while they get a camera angle that looks better
    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
    • Commentary June 2024 WWW.ELECTORALCALCULUS.CO.UK Interesting article about just how bad it could be for the Tories.  Also Tories could be hoping on Reform not having candidates in many seats, as they were not ready.  
    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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Please advise me quick I have a NHS lease car so am the keeper, not reg owner, and on 4th April received a £70 parking ticket, (£40 if paid by 18th, thats why I need to be quick!). I was parked in my local Tesco only for 10 mins literally, I was parked beyond bay markings, but I saw the parking attendant practically run away from my car after her gave the ticket, which was 'stuck' to my windscreen. I admit to this forum I was actually parked somewhere I shouldn't have been , but as it was for such a short time, and given how much I spend in the store am loathed to pay it!!!!!! Do I ignore it as other postings say or pay it???? Also do I take it up with Tesco or Vinci. Another thing, Vinci website states it's £12 if paid in 2 weeks, but my ticket states £70 or £40 ?????

 

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No don't ignore this one, get in touch with whoever is in charge of the pool and tell them not to pay as it will be them that get the ticket.

 

In case they don't realise, make sure they understand that this is 'not' a legal ticket but an invoice and an invitation to pay.

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Cheers for replying so quickly,, will contact lease office tomorrow as you advise.

 

What course of action should I then take, as I don't want to annoy lease company with too much mail from Vinci,, shall I WRITE TO vinci stating ??? have seen templates on this site...............

 

What to do!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Normally you would be advised not to reply, but in this case I think you should write and let them know that you are the registered keeper and not responsible.

 

That will give them your address to send their string of mail to that you will not answer. If you don't and the lease co continue to get demands, they might just pay it.

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Hold on.

 

Don't contact 'Vinci'. Even if you tell them you're the keeper, there's no guarantee they'll pay a blind bit of notice and could well just keep on harassing the lease co, in the hope they'll pay up no questions asked.

 

Don't think you can reason with these scamsters.

 

• write to you lease co and tell them you have an invoice from Vinci which has no legal basis and that it should not be paid. Say that you have an agreement to pay genuine council and police tickets, but not unenforceable invoices from [problem] companies.

Point out that you are sure, as a respectable lease company, that they have full experience of these invoices and that they should be ignored. Say that you regret that no payment with be forthcoming from you if they choose to pay and that you have no agreement about any administration charges because this is not a genuine fine.

 

ignore Vinci

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Please advise me quick I have a NHS lease car so am the keeper, not reg owner,

 

You are the keeper, but not the registered keeper (that will be the lease company). There is no such thing as a registered owner.

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Thanks for that, I am still really nervous though, what course of action should I take if I have letters from Vinci??? Also, do not know what reaction will have off lease company>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Follow the advice given.

Inform fleet manager that if they receive any bumph from Vinci that they are not to deal with it but to pass it on toy you. And then tell them the issue is in dispute and they must not act on any threats. Any payment on your behalf you will not accept etc etc

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You are the keeper, but not the registered keeper (that will be the lease company). There is no such thing as a registered owner.

 

Are you sure? I thought it was Registered Owner and Keeper, with there being no such thing as a Registered Keeper.

 

Otherwise we'd see Notice to Keepers.

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Are you sure? I thought it was Registered Owner and Keeper, with there being no such thing as a Registered Keeper.

 

Otherwise we'd see Notice to Keepers.

 

Absolutely sure.

 

The V5C specifically states that it does not confirm ownership.

 

The Notice to Owner is such because for the purposes of the TMA 2004, the owner is defined as the registered keeper unless otherwise proven.

 

TMA 2004 s.92

 

owner”, in relation to a vehicle, means the person by whom the vehicle is kept, which in the case of a vehicle registered under the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 (c. 22) is presumed (unless the contrary is proved) to be the person in whose name the vehicle is registered;
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Hi ,

have spoken to lease company who will pass any Vinci stuff onto NHS Trust, spoke to trust stating I will challenge Vinci, the trust will inform them of my personal details as I am the person keeping the car:?.

it is documented that I don't want them to pay any notices, although both lease company & trust said people do normally pay them???

I will sit tight and wait for any letters from Vinci.

Shall I w then use a template from this sight??????????????

 

Cheers

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it is documented that I don't want them to pay any notices, although both lease company & trust said people do normally pay them???

 

Put everything in writing to both. Make it clear that if they pay you will not be reimbursing them.

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it is documented that I don't want them to pay any notices, although both lease company & trust said people do normally pay them???

 

 

Still sounds like they think they are real council PCNs which I am sure they would be entitled to pay and recharge against you.

 

As Al27 says, make sure you have written confirmation of your instructions reiterating that these are NOT legally valid PCNs, but simply private company invoices which you do not accept.

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Hi, If ignore Vinci and they keep sending stuff, wouldn't that affect my credit rating??

Please advise as these forums all say that they don't take any notice of letters just keep harrassing you, so at what point could it get heavy???

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No they can't affect your credit rating.

 

First they'd have to take you to court (unlikely)

then win (even less chance)

then you would have to ignore the court judgement (why would you?)

only then can bailiffs and your credit rating come into play.

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ok, cheers, May just pay them £12 as on thier Cardiff Parking Website, the same code,breach 7, is reduced to £12 if paid in 14 days. Will print off & send that in with my notice, I really don't want this hanging over me waiting for post everyday, ??

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ok, cheers, May just pay them £12 as on thier Cardiff Parking Website, the same code,breach 7, is reduced to £12 if paid in 14 days. Will print off & send that in with my notice, I really don't want this hanging over me waiting for post everyday, ??

 

Ignoring letters is hardly a hardship. Everybody gets junkmail.

 

And breach codes - what?

 

With respect, you need to get a grip here.

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If you pay them £12 you can guarantee that they will come after you for more, and as you've shown them that you can be intimidated, it will be far worse than if you ignore them completely.

 

Trust me, pay them the £12, and you will end up paying them the full £70. Ignore them, and you'll pay nothing, and all of their threats be proved to be total drivel.

 

You have a cast iron defence, because it was a free car park = no contract can ever exist = no breach of contract can ever exist = no penalties can ever be enforced.

MBNA - Agreed to refund £970 in full without conditions. Cheque received Sat 5th Aug.:D

Lloyds - Settled for an undisclosed sum.:D

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Hi. Please follow the posters advice it is valid and does work. I know the area that you park in (it is not too far away from me) and this is a PPC [problem]. I have had friends who have had to deal with Vinci before-its just a money making exercise. I would reassure the Tust with your circumstances and back it up with evidence (it works in other Trusts and LHBs). You could go and see Alun Williams-Acting Financial Services Manager and/or someone similar and explain what the situation is.

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