lets fight bailiffs v sherforce

[chris600uk]

i reported a brake in last year and told the police that the log books for the vans had been taken but could not prove who it was so the police could not do anything but when the bailiff turned up at this guys work he gave the bailiff the stolen log books

 

Had you changed the logbooks into your own name/ company name?

 

Can you prove that the log books were stolen?

 

Can you prove that the bailiff got them from this person?

 

If so, have you considered making a complaint in writing to the Chief Constables office.

 

I know I say this from time to time, and to my knowledge, no one from here has ever done that, but it is the only way to ensure that the police actually do their job in difficult cases where they'd really rather be doing something else.

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yes the vans have been changed over and i have both sets of keys

i can prove that he took them because he has shown them to the cowboy that took the vans,

but all i got was this is a sival matter

i have got the email address for the cheif inspector i could try that?

 

thanks

[chris600uk]

No, I would sent the letter to the Chief cons office.

It'll get passed down and there will be some oversight.

[chris600uk]

yes the vans have been changed over and i have both sets of keys

i can prove that he took them because he has shown them to the cowboy that took the vans,

but all i got was this is a sival matter

 

If he knew they were not the property of the debtor then that is theft.

 

Chief Con. start at the top

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i will do that today

 

thanks

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please can aynbody answer this?

 

if a bailiff has taken goods that are nothing to do in any way to do with a high court writ after been told that thay was not to take them is that theft or not

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I wil try and explain a little better

 

jan 08 i was looking to buy a (firm) in the first meeting with the owner he told me it had around £42000 debt.

we came to an agreement that i would pay off the debt as payment for the (firm) in the contract it included 2 vans and a fork lift truck and a little bit of stock.

when i got in there the old book keeper stayed with us for around two months but when i started going deeper in to the accounts somthing was not right the numbers did not add up,so i called the book keeper in to my office and asked what was going on he was told at that point that if he was to lie to me i would sack him on the spot,and this is what he told me he said that the old owner had told him to fiddle the accounts before i got there to show £42000 debt and to hide this also from the vat as he was under an inspection so i asked him in is opinion how much debt he thought there realy was he said around £80.000 but this still did not add up.

so i spen the next two months looking in to everything(bear in mind i had now paid £42000 off of his debt so i now was the owner of the two van and F.L.T)

at the end of my own invetigation i found that the credtor debt was £130.000+ inland rev £13.200 vat £8.000+and bank over draft £15.000

and credit card debt £112.000.

i also found that he had got all the debt putting his house as security as told by creditors but just found out that he is a tennent and it is not his

had this confirmed by the (landlord)

i set up a payment plan with inland rev to date paid over £5.000

sep 08 i was called by police to say my alarm was going off at my office

when i got there the alarm told me that somebody had been in through the main door but i had changed the alarm code then we found that the log books and the purches contract for the (firm) had gone so we called the police to tell them what had gone but we could not prove it was the old owner (another brick wall) anyway oct 08 we had paid over £72.000

off his old debt but we could not carry on so we closed and all we had was the two vans,we then got a letter from I.R saying we owed another £8000 when i told them in wrighting what was going on thay said that thay had not got the letter but (bad luck) i sent it recorded and it had been sighned for, the day after thay told me it had been taken by the fraud department, and the next day thay phoned to tell me thay had looked in to this and was going to refund every penny i had paid (bonus)thay have done just that.in all this we had death threats from this guy and told to keep our mouth shut so we had to move home as we have two small children at the same time he was charged with assault on one of my employees so we knew he meant what he said.

in feb 09 a bailiff came to our house and my friends son opened the door and he told the child that he was taking the vans he told the bailif that thay had stuff on them as we was in the middle of moving he told that child who as it happens is bisabled (blind)if he did not unload the vans within two mins he would take them anyway he called me on my mobile and he was told he could not unload the vans as i had the key (and he is blind) i told him i was just around the corner so he said dont worry i will keep them here until you get here when i got there no vans and this child had been left outside crying iin the garden he said i told them to wait hear he then rang them to find where thay were and i told them to wait until i got to them and when i asked the driver why he set off before i got there he said i was told to by the bailif when i went back the bailiff said dont worry thay wont go out of north wales but yet again this was a lie the vans were now at the other side of lancashire

we have sent sherforce log books how we paid for the vans and we have the keys the insurence from the last six months in my name and even a latter from the lieing B---urd that had me over telling that the the van with all the things on was ours i then got another letter from inland rev (a bill)with a tax code that i did not know when i called them the fraudster had given the tax office my home address for his own personel tax bill that said just bin it as thay now knew what this guy was trying on

when the guy broke in and took the contract (clever)not so it was a coppy inland revinue had my original coppy that is why i got my money back when i spoke to a local solicitor he told me he knew this man and he was known for doing this type of thing and his nikname for him was the famous company liquedator as this was his tenth one he knew about.

 

hope this helps sorry a bit complex

i have all the documented evidence to prove all i have said this is why it is so frustrating

thanks again

[hallowitch]

Jesus this is shocking tom tubbys help needed on this one

stupid question from me but cant you file a form 4 complaint about the bailiffs

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somebody else is dealing with this as well she is very good and i think she may know about these forms i hope because i dont.

 

thanks

[hallowitch]

good I'm glad a form 4 complaint is going to be done these bailiffs have no right to hold a license for doing that to a blind child

and when they do lose there licence i hope they end up with a mountain of debt they cannot pay and a very nasty bailiff comes knocking on there door

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what licence i checked last night and guess what his name does not appear to be on the list

[caro]

From what the bookkeeper has said it seems to me that you are also a victim of fraud, not to mention the threats of violence. Have you reported them to the police?

 

Please keep all information on the thread as it helps others to help you, and may also help other people.

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yes the book keeper is right a mass amount of fraud and yes told the police but all thay could do is give a warning as the C.P.S will not do any thing until the boys turn up to shut me up and finnish me off as he said

(have told all in my notes above)

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sorry penny just dropped as to what you just said you may also know how complex it is and when i told the full story with all aligatsions it was edited for legal reasons im try ing to explain without putting anyone at risk including myself

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up date

phoned police again to demand to speak to cheif inspector called back within 5 mins to inform me that C.I.D are now taking the case over (bonus because last week thay told me it was not a police matter) but after comment from chris600uk and another person told me it was yesturday hope you read this

thank you

[chris600uk]

Police aren't bad people, but with all the targets and P.C. stuff they have to deal with today they, like anyone else, tend to avoid complicated jobs.

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police are not bad it seems that every time i speek to them thay always tell me thay have heard this kind of thing before and it wont get past the C.P.S and it seems like thay dont want to do anything because thay are held back by the C.P.S, so what is the point, (but thats not always in the public interest) i actualy feel sorry for police offices spending days on one case to be told its not good enough.

[letsmakeamark]

I understand you are recieving help on this ?

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yes getting as much help as i can, need it right now never dealt with bailiffs at this scale hopefully thay know just how bad it is, lost the lot

but feel just as bad towards sherforce and the **** bag that calls himself a high, old on he did tell me he was a high court officer and worked for the court is that not impersonation of an official, if so he said this on cctv in front of a police officer.

[chris600uk]

Don't feel too bad for the police... If they present a good case, the CPS will then find it more difficult to justify refusing to prosecute. If they don't bother, the CPS have it easy.

 

Remember who has to gain from no prosecution, and who loses..

 

We have laws for a reason, and as imperfect as any system is if you don't fight for your rights, some lying thieving politician will take them away - because they are inconvenient to him/her at the time.

 

Don't give up.

[MARTIN3030]

I understand you are recieving help on this ?

 

 

What help ?

Can you tell us ?

[letsmakeamark]

I thought that the had already recieved help in the form of posts by chrisuk600 ? Just wandering ?

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up date

well guys going to interpleader in two weeks list of things to tell the master

 

1, no I D

2,talking to a child who is disabled

3,telling this child to empty the vans

4,taking the vans with our tools on

5,taking the vans with our furnitchure on after thay was told

6,not giving any warrent

7,leaving us unable to work

and so on, too long to go on, hope this works

 

thanks yall

[tomtubby]

Jesus this is shocking tom tubbys help needed on this one

stupid question from me but cant you file a form 4 complaint about the bailiffs

 

You are quite right, this is a shocking situation.

 

Until a few days ago we had an agreement that the vehicles and contents would be released but then a 3rd party claim was found to have been made which has meant that this matter will have to wait to be decided at the Interpleader hearing in 2 weeks...

 

Very INTERESTING to see whether the 3rd party will make an appearance!!

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yes thanks to tomtubby we got this far, looking forward to interpleader and the return of our vans and tools and house goods,

 

thanks again to tomtubby