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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi R&B,

 

Not one of my applications has had a time allocated to it... all I ever get is a covering letter saying 'It'll be dealt with at the hearing on 19th August at 2pm.... nothing else.

 

Perhaps they're giving me the whole afternoon... I now have, withdraw admission application, set aside application, and disclosure application all at the same hearing... hope the DJ doesn't have a liquid lunch before hand..:eek:...or do I? :rolleyes:

 

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Hi R&B,

 

Not one of my applications has had a time allocated to it... all I ever get is a covering letter saying 'It'll be dealt with at the hearing on 19th August at 2pm.... nothing else.

 

Perhaps they're giving me the whole afternoon... I now have, withdraw admission application, set aside application, and disclosure application all at the same hearing... hope the DJ doesn't have a liquid lunch before hand..:eek:...or do I? :rolleyes:

 

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lol...well he ll just be playing catch-up with u then:razz:.....

in all seriousness tho id be tempted to phone the court and see wots allocated. anything less than 2 hours and id say u dont think this is long enough to give u a decent hearing given the amount to get thru.

from my experience (last hearing) just the point of the CA took over 1 1/2hrs, mixed in with the procedural issues took another hour and we didnt even touch on the disclosure. depends on the DJ tho i guess.

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Hi R&B,

 

Got a bit waylaid yesterday with my SAR from Halifax..

 

Thanks for the advice.. I'll give them a ring next week to find out the state of play with regards to timing.

 

Just out of interest.. when did you hear that there was going to be a rep for the other side at your original hearing?

I have no idea at the mo whether anyone is going to turn up from MC and I just wondered when you find out about these things..:confused:

 

Does the court inform you that the opp intend to object to the application or do you just find that out on the day...

 

It's all a bit puzzling to me at present and it puts 'one on the back foot somewhat' :p

 

Thanks,

 

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Hi Spam

 

It certainly does seem that they're piling quite a lot of stuff up to be dealt with at your hearing!

 

I see you're following r&b's tip to phone the court next week to try and get an idea of what's going on regarding timing and allocated court time, hopefully you'll speak to someone helpful as the staff are not all of that persuasion.

 

Hopefully the Judge will realise at the outset of the hearing if the time allocated is not sufficient to get through all your stuff on the day and will order an adjournment to a later date. I know that might be inconvenient for you, but it seems some of these Judges don't give a stuff about messing people around. :(

 

Anyway, although my comments probably aren't very helpful, you've taken all the steps you can so far, so I hope everything goes well for you, you deserve it! ;)

 

I've been giving too much time to MC/M/P over the last few days :mad: so I've got to try and catch up with a few things that have been neglected and need attention, but I'll try and keep up with yours and r&b's threads, and I'll let you know any developments with mine! I think I'll put my set aside application on hold for a few days to await MCs response to my AoE opposition stuff, although I'll still be thinking about it and formulating the plan!

 

Cheers

Rob

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In my case MC wrote in objecting in a witness statement why my setasides shouldn't be granted. The witness statement was more aimed at undermining me then aimed at the court.

In the end MC didn't turn up.

The DJ was not at all impressed and granted me the set a side. I'm convinced he would hyave done anyway but you never know.

The letters from mc were aimed at pursuading me not to turn up.

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Thanks Rob/ Jon

 

In my case MC wrote in objecting in a witness statement why my setasides shouldn't be granted.

 

Did you get a copy of that before the hearing or did you just find out on the day?

 

They've been strangely quiet as far as my case is concerned..

 

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Hi Spam

 

 

They've been strangely quiet as far as my case is concerned..

 

 

 

That's because they're busy with my stuff! :rolleyes::)

 

Seriously though, they're probably overworked if people are standing up to them! Hopefully they've bitten off more than they can chew if enough people are not just rolling over and submitting to them.

 

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Thanks Rob/ Jon

 

 

 

Did you get a copy of that before the hearing or did you just find out on the day?

 

They've been strangely quiet as far as my case is concerned..

 

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I got a letter first. The letter was basicly telling there was no point attending cos I was wasting my time!

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Hi all,

 

Just got off the phone to the court... They have allocated 20 minutes for the whole lot..:( Office said that DJ will look at all the applications and give directions on the day.

 

I asked about whether I will be informed if claimants will be represented on the day and she said I will find out at the hearing...

 

Bit miffed cos everything seems so weighted to the advantage of the claimant all the time and it's always the defendant left on the back foot waiting for the big guns to make their move..

 

Oh well, not long to wait now.

 

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wouldnt get too wound up spam, i cant see how DJ will even start to make a decision given that timescale. be lucky if hes got time for the directions of all that;)

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Hi Spam

 

wouldnt get too wound up spam, i cant see how DJ will even start to make a decision given that timescale. be lucky if hes got time for the directions of all that;)

 

I agree with r&b.

 

I seems almost certain that the Judge will have to order an adjournment of some sort to be able to deal with matters properly, as even if the time were to overrun it still wouldn't be sufficient.

 

I have read other threads where the Defendant has actually requested an adjournment.

 

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wouldnt get too wound up spam, i cant see how DJ will even start to make a decision given that timescale. be lucky if hes got time for the directions of all that;) Yes, bit of wishful thinking on my part hoping to get a set aside in one hit and get given directions to prepare defence..

 

Hi Spam

 

 

 

I agree with r&b.

 

I seems almost certain that the Judge will have to order an adjournment of some sort to be able to deal with matters properly, as even if the time were to overrun it still wouldn't be sufficient.

 

I have read other threads where the Defendant has actually requested an adjournment. It looks as if that's what I'll have to be prepared to do if he doesn't order one himself.

 

Cheers

Rob

 

I think by the time I've got all my papers out and sat down, my 20 minutes will be up... :-| I've been looking forward to this hearing for what seems like a lifetime and now it seems as though it may drag on for a while yet!

 

Not knowing how things will pan out on the day it's difficult to decide what to give the most preparation to. I shall have to give it loads of thought.

 

Anyway, thanks for the support R&B, Rob, I really Appreciate it. ;)

 

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Hi Spam

 

I think by the time I've got all my papers out and sat down, my 20 minutes will be up... :-| I've been looking forward to this hearing for what seems like a lifetime and now it seems as though it may drag on for a while yet!

 

Not knowing how things will pan out on the day it's difficult to decide what to give the most preparation to. I shall have to give it loads of thought.

 

 

If you haven't been in court before, at least the hearing will serve to give a bit of a taster!

 

Cheers

Rob

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If you haven't been in court before, at least the hearing will serve to give a bit of a taster!

 

 

Very true!! Something to cut my teeth on...;)

 

 

Thanks,

 

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Is it this week spam?

 

Wishing you all the best....FG

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Is it this week spam?

 

Wishing you all the best....FG

 

Hi FG... long time no see ;) Thank you.. the case is actually in 2 weeks on the 19th.. but I'll hold on to those best wishes til then if I may.:)

 

Strange turn of events today...

 

They've been strangely quiet as far as my case is concerned..

 

They seem to have woken up!! :rolleyes:

 

Received a letter from MC today saying..

 

Without Prejudice

 

Re Phoenix V Spam

 

We write with reference to your application to Set Aside Judgement.

 

Our client is of the opinion the outstanding amount is due, however they are prepared to consent to set aside the judgement in an attempt to prevent uneccessary court action, provided you pay the amount outstanding in accordance with the terms of the enclosed Consent Order.

 

We look forward to your reply within 7 days, upon which our client's offer will expire.

 

( consent order requesting me to pay full outstanding balance... including unlawful charges on an unenforceable agreement not legally owned by them, at the same rate as the judgement enclosed)

 

 

 

:eek::eek: :D

 

I think I have them on the ropes now... any comments please?

 

Do I ignore the letter or should I write back saying thanks but no thanks?

 

Obviously I'm not going to accept their 'kind offer' but I don't want the court to think I am being unreasonable..

 

Thanks

 

 

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Disregard their offer you wont look unreasoable as the above cannot be introduced into proceedings anyway,WP

 

Regards

 

Andy

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Strange turn of events today...

 

 

 

They seem to have woken up!! :rolleyes:

 

Received a letter from MC today saying..

 

Without Prejudice

 

Re Phoenix V Spam

 

We write with reference to your application to Set Aside Judgement.

 

Our client is of the opinion the outstanding amount is due, however they are prepared to consent to set aside the judgement in an attempt to prevent uneccessary court action, provided you pay the amount outstanding in accordance with the terms of the enclosed Consent Order.

 

We look forward to your reply within 7 days, upon which our client's offer will expire.

 

( consent order requesting me to pay full outstanding balance... including unlawful charges on an unenforceable agreement not legally owned by them, at the same rate as the judgement enclosed)

 

 

 

:eek::eek: :D

 

I think I have them on the ropes now... any comments please?

 

Do I ignore the letter or should I write back saying thanks but no thanks?

 

Obviously I'm not going to accept their 'kind offer' but I don't want the court to think I am being unreasonable..

 

Thanks

 

 

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Hi Spam

 

A very kind offer indeed - NOT! :rolleyes:

 

It looks like they're trying to give with one hand and take back with the other - sort of. Do they really think that you are suddenly going to find the alleged outstanding balance - plus some - and just hand it over?

 

They're trippin', they probably think they're doing you a favour! :lol:

 

Perhaps you really do have them on the ropes, let's hope so!

 

Just my opinion, but I wouldn't think there would be even a remote possibility that the court would think you unreasonable in turning down their offer, after all you're trying to get this thing set aside, not trying to find another way to pay an originally unenforceable debt which you are hoping to challenge as such! :)

 

Cheers

Rob

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Disregard their offer you wont look unreasoable as the above cannot be introduced into proceedings anyway,WP

 

Regards

 

Andy

.. Thanks Andy... thats what I wanted to hear. :)

 

Hi Rob, :)

 

Do they really think that you are suddenly going to find the alleged outstanding balance - plus some - and just hand it over?

 

May have misled you there in my post..:oops: They are suggesting I pay it back at the same rate as I'm paying the judgement.. £xx.xx per month.

 

Apart from everything else, I've paid almost £200 on applications to get this far!! Why would I suddenly want to drop it?

 

The judgement includes their costs, but their 'consent order' orders each party bear their own costs.. so they already have theirs neatly tied up in the 'outstanding balance' but I bear my own... I'm wondering which banana boat they think I arrived on.. :rolleyes:

 

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Disregard their offer you wont look unreasoable as the above cannot be introduced into proceedings anyway,WP

 

Regards

 

Andy

 

as andy says spam without prejudice cannot be used in court so as far as the court is concerned, its as if it were never written, making it very difficult for them to find u unreasonable....unlike them ill wager:???:

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I'm wondering which banana boat they think I arrived on.. :rolleyes::D

 

They are most certainaly on the ropes Spam,it smacks of desperation to me stick to your guns and go get em I will be watching on the 19th.

 

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Andy

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Hi Spam

 

.. Thanks Andy... thats what I wanted to hear. :) Not only have they headed their letter simply 'Without Prejudice', they can't even use it for the purposes of costs - (not headed 'WP ... save as to costs' ). But let's hope that scenario doesn't arise.

 

Hi Rob, :)

 

May have misled you there in my post.. They are suggesting I pay it back at the same rate as I'm paying the judgement.. £xx.xx per month. No, it was my fault, I didn't read it properly! :oops::oops:

 

Apart from everything else, I've paid almost £200 on applications to get this far!! Why would I suddenly want to drop it?

 

The judgement includes their costs, but their 'consent order' orders each party bear their own costs.. so they already have theirs neatly tied up in the 'outstanding balance' but I bear my own... I'm wondering which banana boat they think I arrived on.. :rolleyes:

 

Thanks Spam. :)

 

Cheers

Rob

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They're twitching spam. Stick to your guns - & then blow 'em out of the water.

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