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    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. 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Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
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Afternoon all!

My partner and i have put in claims for our cash (approx £4500 each)

 

So we're making inroads here :

 

Summary so far -

10th July, Prelim's sent

24th July, LBA's sent RD

28th July letter recv'd addressed to Emily from Mr colin Langdale referring to letter dated 10th July.

 

This letter has tried to fob her off to the financial ombudsman, and "represents our final response on this matter".

I take it we are to continue following our timetable and to action court proceedings on 11th August?

 

I am waiting for a response to my letters too, similar amount - will update here soon, keen to see what action HSBC chose to take as it would appear that they take a different approach everytime. I bet they have spent hours reading these threads in efforts to our dupe their customers!!!

 

Thanks for the advice CAG, without this site we would not have the confidence to approach HSBC in the first place :)

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thanks Crusher and also Sar....:)

i remember all those times at the end of the month when HSBC have taken my last few quid and more!!!

We're gonna take our money back!!! :D:-x:cool:

So the MCOL text, i take it we just personalise the particulars? i'm hoping for the 8% aswell.

ANother question though .....i am £3500 overdrawn , and have £3500 on my HSBC mastercard (wil also claim on this too). Are HSBC likely to withdraw my credit line, ie cancel my OD facility etc, so when i get my money back it will just get swallowed up in unauthorised OD? I guess it pays it off for me but i was really hoping for a holiday!

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I have seen that others have requested payment in cheque form - this might be a good idea if you are worried

 

zoe

HSBC- Amount owed from unlawful charges- £2191.73

 

Progress so far

27/06/06 Preliminary letter sent

10/07/06 Sent letter before action

25/07/06 Completed and submitted MCOL

27/07/06 Recieved offer of £1850 from HSBC

14/08/06 Recieved full amount + court fees from HSBC:)

 

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ah good idea i'll have to mention that to them at some point, how can i request a cheque though? hmmmm....

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Hi, this is my first post!! I'm so glad I found this forum. Could someone please have a quick read of my predicament and see what they think please.

 

I owed HSBC approx 24.5k and have gone bankrupt. this has been great for me, but my current account was joint with the missus and they are now pursuing her for the 3.2k we have overdrawn in there. They are threatening to sell this debt to metropolitan collections services (mcs) in 2 weeks if we don't pay infull. My wife is a fulltime mum and I am a mature (bankrupt) student therefore no means to pay. I wreckon atleast 1k of this is charges and interest. Can I follow the template for letters or will it all change if they sell the debt to MCS? Can I do the same route against mcs? I tried to negotiate with hsbc but unless we give them a lumpsum for atleast 75% of the outstanding amount they wouldn't even consider negotiating!

Help please as I don't want the missus to have to declare bankruptcy aswell.

 

Thanks,

David.

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Hi John,

 

see littlemissfoolish's thread for some info on this

 

z

HSBC- Amount owed from unlawful charges- £2191.73

 

Progress so far

27/06/06 Preliminary letter sent

10/07/06 Sent letter before action

25/07/06 Completed and submitted MCOL

27/07/06 Recieved offer of £1850 from HSBC

14/08/06 Recieved full amount + court fees from HSBC:)

 

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ah good idea i'll have to mention that to them at some point, how can i request a cheque though?

Have a look at my thread - Excess Overdraft Limit.

 

Antibankvillain - Might be better if you can start your own thread, that way we can follow your progress and offer help if you need it.

Might be getting your prelim in before they sell the debt, as far as I know (please don't quote me) they can't sell the debt whilst there is a question on the account.

Is this amount unsecured??, if so I don't think that they can make you bankrupt. Worst case senario, they sell your debt, MCS chase you for it, if you still can't afford to pay they issue a default and apply for a CCJ, the court would then ask for proof of your income and expenditure and , if applicable, tell MCS what you can afford to pay on a monthly basis. Might ruin your credit rating but... Do make sure though that you pay at least £1 per month into your account. If your really struggling I would suggest that you contact Consumer Credit Counselling service, they helped me loads and can compile your income expenditure for you.

Good luck

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cheers z, i have spent hours reading these threads so thanks for pointing me in that direction.....

this place is so helpful!!!

thnx,

John.

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Morning!

I've read in these forums about HSBC sending this letter as a "final response". What's the take on filing the MCOL claim early? I see others have continued with their timetable and waited for the 14 days quoted in their LBA to expire.

We're ready to go but could always wait for the sake of a week or so.....

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I can't wait to get on to my other banks, it's kind of exciting knowing that i am finally getting my own back ! :lol:

So I've done most of the text and saved the half completed application ready to go! However it's a real squeeze for 1080 chars......

 

Now might sound like a stiupid question, or maybe it's just too early (!) but do I type the particulars of the claim in 3rd party context, ie "The claimant etc etc..." or as if I am writing it myself...ie, " I am claiming etc etc..."

Also, as for including a schedule of charges is this req'd with the MCOL or is that just for a paper based claim?:confused:

 

This is what I have done so far and it just about fits.....any comments from anyone would be much appreciated!!!!

 

I have a contract with the defendant dating 1998, which is conducted on their std. T’s and C’s. I am claiming the return of money taken by the defendant in

the way of charges over the last 6 yrs(£3,021.50) plus the interest they have

levied on those charges(£624.32). The bank's charges are a disproportionate penalty and therefore unenforceable as they are contrary to common law. Further, as a disproportionate penalty they are invalid under the Unfair (Contracts) Terms Act 1977 s.4 and under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999. Para.8 and sch.2(1)(e). In the event that the charges are not a penalty then they are unreasonable within the meaning of the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982 s.15. I have repeatedly asked the bank to justify their charges but they have declined to do so. I am also claiming interest under s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at the rate of 8% a year from 10/07/00 - 11/08/06 of £816.51 and also interest at the same rate up to the date of judgment or earlier payment at a daily rate of £0.80.

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Don't think it matters too much if you claim as 'I' or 'the claimant'. You will probably get a letter from DG Solicitors asking for a breakdown of charges (stalling tactic), so I'd just keep hold of them for the moment.

The text sounds fine, pretty much waht I put on mine. Good luck!!!!!

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Thanks, it took me ages to fit it in to 24 lines though!

 

SO in the box where it asks for Amount Claimed (and you hit calculate to work out court costs) do we put in the total amount (charges + interest) but also including 8% interest, or just total amount without the 8% interest? I am assuming we put in the figure WITH interest as this is the total amount being claimed, however with 8% it takes the figure above £5000 and court costs up to £250. Obviously we will get these back, but £250 is a lot to shell out....would rather fork out £120, but don't want to put the wrong figure in for obvious reasons...

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You need to put the total amount you are claiming - including interest but excluding court fees.

Opinions given herein are made informally by myself as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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Thanks Barracad, so be it. However £250 is a small investment given the return.

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Afternoon all!

My partner and i have put in claims for our cash (approx £4500 each)

 

So we're making inroads here :

 

Summary so far -

10th July, Prelim's sent

24th July, LBA's sent RD

28th July letter recv'd addressed to Emily from Mr colin Langdale referring to letter dated 10th July.

 

This letter has tried to fob her off to the financial ombudsman, and "represents our final response on this matter".

I take it we are to continue following our timetable and to action court proceedings on 11th August?

 

I am waiting for a response to my letters too, similar amount - will update here soon, keen to see what action HSBC chose to take as it would appear that they take a different approach everytime. I bet they have spent hours reading these threads in efforts to our dupe their customers!!!

 

Thanks for the advice CAG, without this site we would not have the confidence to approach HSBC in the first place :)

 

If thats there final response just go straight to court now.

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we're tempted....but is there any advantage / disadvantage to keeping the claim under £5000?

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Advantages of keeping under £5,000:

  • Fixed costs whether you win or lose (only pay court fees)

Disadvantages:

  • By severing your claim, you are purposely trying to avoid moving off the small claims track - any subsequent claim could potentially be struck out for abusing the process and you could wave goodbye to the rest of your money.
  • Banks won't be forced into standard disclosure where they have to show their true costs.

My advice would be to keep it all as one claim - it will cost you more to submit the claim, but you get this back anyway.

 

On the fast track if you lose you may have to pay costs, but these are fixed.

 

However, with the fast track you can force the banks to prove their costs, which they aren't going to do - so they will settle out of court in exactly the same way as if it were small claims.

 

Fast track is less risky than small claims in my opinion.

Opinions given herein are made informally by myself as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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thanks...that certainly clears things up. My MCOL is ready to go at any time from now until 7th August, my £250 is at the ready as soon as my salary goes in ! Will keep you posted . .

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