RLP Victims-Has anyone got a copy of notices they asked you to sign ?

[totallyinnocent]

Totally innocent could I ask you to start your own thread & not high jack this one which you will note was started for a specific reason Thanks

No hijack intended, I've moved the original post over to your advice forum. Also I've uploaded a example of an RLP document above.

[JonCris]

No hijack intended, I've moved the original post over to your advice forum. Also I've uploaded a example of an RLP document above.

 

Great Can you provide a link to your document please?

[totallyinnocent]

Link is in the previous post but may be pending approval before you can see it.

[shanty]

I think the "if they knew I was doing it,why didn't they stop me," argument would be laughed out of court in most cases. Its been said many,many times before.

The shop presumably has a till clearly displayed for the customer to pay? The shop most likely has shopping baskets for the customer to place goods in.

 

If we are talking about cases of people accidentally walking out with goods,not deliberately concealed,that is a different sitauation,although the intent has to be proved.

[JonCris]

I think the "if they knew I was doing it,why didn't they stop me," argument would be laughed out of court in most cases. Its been said many,many times before.

The shop presumably has a till clearly displayed for the customer to pay? The shop most likely has shopping baskets for the customer to place goods in.

 

If we are talking about cases of people accidentally walking out with goods,not deliberately concealed,that is a different sitauation,although the intent has to be proved.

 

 

I assume that on the basis that an accused is innocent to until 'proven' guilty you mean the intent to steal has to be proved & NOT the other way around

[letshelp]

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[Seawitch]

These are likely to be from in-store interviews.

Its nothing to do with any Police paperwork.

Alternatively can anyone state what these papers RLP ask to be signed actually say ?

On November 11th 2010

I had to sign a paper banning me from the store after purchasing an item and then being stopped and told I had to be refunded because I had tried to defraud the store.

(I was told at the till that it was that price but it seems they were waiting for me to purchase it in order to stop me.I'm not sure if what they did was even legal as it seems to me it was entrapment and after the point of sale I would assume that the goods were my property ,but I was intimidated into accepting their version of events and I was also in a hurry to collect my son from school with no time to waste).

 

I also had to sign a paper for Civil Recovery which I did not understand at the time what that was exactly(i'd never heard of it!).Now i realise I have signed something giving them the right to seek compensation for my detention time (9mins),costs of the recovered goods for which I was refunded the price I had paid,and a yet to be determined compensatory sum towards the costs of their security set-up .This seems to be a very harsh way of dealing with an ordinary shopper who was in a hurry and rather than wait half an hour while apathetic staff research the price(often returning with the wrong price)I made the mistake of placing a label from another item on the item in plain view as I did not realise that I was doing anything wrong and in any case I believed the till cashier would know the price either way-in fact we had a conversation where another staff member went off to check returning very quickly and agreeing the price.I realise now that security had stopped her and told her to do this.

It was a very upsetting event which I am wondering what to do about.

I think that these sort of tactics are arising as stores seek to acquire revenue to offset RL in much the same way councils seek to accrue revenue through parking fines often issuing penalties where they are not due.

I immediately informed the security guard that i had placed the ticket on the item and I didn't know that it was an attempt to defraud as I had calculated the price at 60% less than the high street price which I knew was £19 and this store boasts that its prices are always 60% less than the Label price.As I said I had never had this event occur to me and I was in a hurry to leave so I signed evrything without reading it or understanding it ,something I now realise was very stupid and for which I may end up paying a high price unless i can fight it.

Does anyone have any wisdom on this particular event?

[moonmoon6655]

My sister will receive the letter from RLP soon as she did price swap at Denbemham and security staff told her about 900 pounds and then police came to recorded her details and gave her Form IM3 and IM 3A notice to be served under section 6(2) of the immigration act 1971 so whole ****ed her off. she non british citizen so didnt know what that Form meaning... liability to deportation???May or May not??

[MARTIN3030]

Am trying to get some information about this for you.

What is status of visa-how long is left is it a marriage visa ? when was it issued and is there a date for wedding yet or has marriage already taken place ?

[MARTIN3030]

Can you confirm that the Police have not made any charges in relation to this matter ?

 

IM3 and IM3A are issued when criminal proceedings are being actioned.

The Police have to give these within 7 days of the incident so it is a formality.

 

Here is a some info taken from Kent Police guidance which explains a little more detail of the procedure.

You will see that it refers to those cases which are the subject of criminal charges.

 

5. Notification of offences to the United Kingdom Border Agency (UKBA)

5.1. The Secretary of State has the power to deport a foreign national who is subject to immigration control

if they are convicted of an offence punishable by a term of imprisonment. A

person’s nationality and immigration status can be ascertained via the UKBA Command and Control unit based in Manchester. This can be supported by evidential statements from the Evidence and Enquiry team, see paragraph 8 below.

 

5.2. Reports must be submitted in relation to any case in

which a court recommends that a person be deported

. (See paragraphs 6.6 and 8.1)

 

5.3. Reports must also be submitted where a court does not recommend deportation in the following cases:

 

• 
  
  • The conviction is for an offence under the Immigration Act 1971 as amended;
    
    
  • The conviction is for a drugs offence;
    
    
  • The conviction was for an offence against the person; or
    
    
  • Any conviction where a custodial sentence of 12 months or more is imposed or where a shorter term was imposed but the person had within the last five years been sentenced to a term of imprisonment of at least 12 months;
    
    
  • Any conviction of an European Union (EU) National where a custodial sentence of 12 months or more is imposed or where a shorter term was imposed but the person had within the last five years been sentenced to a term of imprisonment of at least 12 months.
    
    
   

 

5.4.

Cases falling outside these criteria may be notified in exceptional circumstances.

 

5.5. Foreign nationals settled in the United Kingdom within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971 (i.e. having indefinite leave to enter or remain) are not exempt from deportation.

6. Deportation procedures

6.1. The most effective and efficient means of securing the deportation of a person over 17 years of age and convicted of a criminal offence is by way of a court recommendation.

 

6.2. By virtue of Section 6(2) Immigration Act 1971, a court cannot make a recommendation for deportation unless the offender has been served with a notice warning them of their liability to be deported. This notice

must

be served at least

seven

clear days before sentence is imposed.

 

6.3. The legislation stipulates that the court may adjourn sentencing to allow for the service of an IM3 and to comply with the

seven

clear days condition.

 

6.4. The services of a notice of liability to deportation will usually be the duty of the police. This is done using forms IM3 and IM3A which are police forms, available from the Home Office.

The notices should normally be served, by the OIC when a person is charged with an offence punishable with imprisonment.

The OIC should ensure that a photocopy of the tear off slip of the IM3 is included in the police case file. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) should be informed in writing that an IM3 has been served. If the service of the IM3 is done at the point of charge the CPS may be informed utilising the MG5 form, case summary.

 

6.5. If a court does

not

recommend deportation, the Secretary of State has the power, under Section 3(5)(a) of the Immigration Act 1971, to deport a person who is subject to immigration control if it is deemed to be conducive to the public good to do so.

 

6.6. Certain Commonwealth and Irish citizens may be exempt from deportation under the provisions of Section 7 Immigration Act 1971.

Edited October 18, 2011 by MARTIN3030

[MARTIN3030]

There are some points to note here then.

 

1.In any event even if charged,there is unlikely to be a term of imprisonment considered.

 

2.There is no reason to suppose that this case is exeptional.

 

3.The Officer in Charge (OIC) issued you with this but there was no charges-although there is provision by way of sending a form to CPS if there is a charge brough later.

 

Rlp may seek to manipulate the situation by trying to suggest that if their fees are not paid then deportion could be likely.

This is not a matter that RLP can influence or be a party to.

Only the Courts and ultimately the Government can order or recommend this.

Report back when you get the letter.

And please be aware that RLP monitor this forum so if you have any questions or info that you dont want to post here-click on the black triangle and send to site team.