14 services - Illegal Parking Enforcement Bristol

[hardcopy]

I received a ticket from the same company - 14 Services, a right bunch of misfits.

 

Welcome to 14 Services

 

Details of website, and presumeabley company 'director'.

 

Car-park-enforcement.co.uk - Car Park Enforcement

 

I was parked on private land granted, which is owned by the people I bought my apartment off, Crest Nicholson. It was a gravel patch next to some parking bays, not on the pavement, not no the road, not in a bay.

 

To top it all they I saw them put signs up, after I had parked my car, and after I had been issued a ticket. I didn't think anything of to high vis up a post until after I saw the sign.

 

 

I received 2 parking tickets from the same company then called CHP Associates (UK) LTD last year, for parking in a similar area well over a year ago. I ignored both of these tickets and nothing came of it. CHP are currently in.

 

 

liquidation it seems.

 

On this occasion I was parked on double yellow lines that were too thin, not the regulation which I think is 55mm, as was the spacing between them - not to mention lettering on the ground said loading only, and I was loading things into my apartment as I was moving in.

 

 

They are clearly citing The Traffic Management Act 2004, and seem to have printed the Charge Notice out in somebody's living room.

 

Has anyone paid a charge to this company yet?

 

Who can register for DVLA info access, surely it's expensive, more expensive than a decent website I would have thought.

 

What is 'The Parking Enforcement Agency' they claim to be a member of.

 

I can't find any info on the internet, so it's unlikely to be a government organisation.

Edited February 19, 2009 by hardcopy

[hardcopy]

A company now called 14 Services illegally issuing PCN - update to this post -

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/172639-private-parking-ticket-do.html

 

is anybody clear on the law in this case?

[Al27]

Send a copy to your local council PCN department and Trading Standards.

[lamma]

Fraud Act 2006 - among several others. Claiming TMA very dodgy. Anyone found the "Private Land Act". send a copy to both the council head of parking and the council heads of legal and audit, and to the Chief Adjudicator of TPT (or PATAS if applicable) telling them the TMA PCN is so far from statute that you need to bring it to their attention at the very outset. Don't let on at all that you know this is a PPC [problem]. See what they say

Edited February 17, 2009 by lamma

[pin1onu]

I know they are generally a bit slow but I would also report them to trading standards.

[DDWales]

As above,-this company are being very naughty here. Report them immediately and certainly do not contact or pay

[luigidavo]

I received a ticket from 14 Services today along with 5 other cars in what appeared to be an area of free parking near the harbourside.

 

The PCN stated the property on which I had parked belonged to Crest Nicholson so I called them and they have confirmed that 14 Services is working for them and that they are in the process of putting up more notices.

 

Not sure this gives any option other than paying up unless they accept that the notices were not clear enough - which I'm sure they won't - or if the PCN is in an illegal format.

Edited February 18, 2009 by luigidavo

[havinastella]

I received a ticket from 14 Services today along with 5 other cars in what appeared to be an area of free parking near the harbourside (opp part of Bristol College)

 

The PCN stated the property on which I had parked belonged to Crest Nicholson so I called them and they have confirmed that 14 Services is working for them and that they are in the process of putting up more notices.

 

Not sure this gives any option other than paying up unless they accept that the notices were not clear enough - which I'm sure they won't - or if the PCN is in an illegal format.

 

 

It does not matter either way. You have not entered into a contract with them and owe them nothing.

 

Just ignore whatever you receive from them, but keep it safe.

 

Jogs

[hardcopy]

I will be ignoring them, as I have done with 2 other PCNs from this company from well over 6 months ago, and another from a year ago.

 

They have had a presence in harbourside for the last 2 days, probably trying to make up on losses from the credit crunch.

They are not a registered company, and there is no such thing as The Parking Enforcement Association as they claim on the notice. It is strange that Crest Nicholson have hired these goons, but I'm sure they don't have the time to check through parking law when they hire a firm.

 

I won't be paying or responding because I wasn't parked illegally, and when I parked the signs weren't even there. If they pursue it they will just be shedding light on themselves to the courts, and I really don't think they have the money to spare on paying for the DVLA info.

 

luigidavo - what did they say your offence was?, were you parked in a bay or a lay-by? what was the PCN number so I can get an idea of how many they issue a day. I'm sure it will start with 102xxxxx.Which department of crest nicholson did you speak to? regional or national?

[luigidavo]

 

luigidavo - what did they say your offence was?, were you parked in a bay or a lay-by? what was the PCN number so I can get an idea of how many they issue a day. I'm sure it will start with 102xxxxx.Which department of crest nicholson did you speak to? regional or national?

 

The offence was " failure to display a valid pay & display ticket or permit"

 

I spoke to the development manager at Crest.

Edited February 18, 2009 by luigidavo

[crem]

luigidavo, I suggest you delete that PCN invoice number as it creates an identifiable link to you.

[luigidavo]

luigidavo, I suggest you delete that PCN invoice number as it creates an identifiable link to you.

 

Cheers - was editing it myself as you picked it up.

 

Thanks

[bristol5037]

I have had the same fine notice yesturday. There are cameras where my car was parked so hopefully this can be sorted out!

[hardcopy]

where was your car?

[hardcopy]

i got another one tonight in an area which crest don't actually own. I've been parking there for a year now, i was the only one out of 10 other cars that had all been their all day also, none had permits. strange bunch. maybe I'll leave a not on my car reminding that i haven't entered into a contract with them, therefore I'm not in breach of it. surely you can only enforce the Traffic Management Act on public roads, and if you're a council or government organisation.

[hardcopy]

found this - CHP is the old name for '14 services' same offices, same website, the people i received my original tickets from last year.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/126163-chp-associates-i-paid.html

 

great explaination from Al27

[lamma]

claiming statutory powers which they don't have is very very naughty. Criminal I reckon.

[hardcopy]

found this - CHP is the old name for '14 services' same offices, same website, the people i received my original tickets from last year.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/126163-chp-associates-i-paid.html

 

great explaination from Al27

 

Another!

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/146250-i-feel-im-being.html

Edited February 19, 2009 by hardcopy

[hardcopy]

cheers lamma for your input on this

 

Dealing with private parking companies: sound legal advice... — The Roadside Lawyer

 

black and white info for those who need a bit more confidence

[lamma]

roadsidelawyer advice not that good "The terms of the contract need to be set out in detail on the signs along with the penalty for the breach". no lawyer wrote that ( I hope ! )

[Wayne's Enforcement]

CIEOS(Civil Independent Enforcement Officers) take the power invested in them to issue parking charges very seriously, and would not issue one lightly - particularly in the current climate. I think for parking on double-yellows the best bet is to pay the charge...... contray to popular beliefe privately-issued tickets should be treated the same as those issued by the council or police.

[hardcopy]

even if they say call themselves 'Civil Enforcement Officers' - which they're not, they cite Acts that they are not allowed to enforce, they state they are member of The Parking Enforcement Agency which doesn't seem to exist. They state they are also licensed by the SIA, I will ask to see his license if I see him near my car again.

[Wayne's Enforcement]

I understand your point about CIEOS operating outside of their remit - and I totally agree

 

However, using recognized termoinology gives the public peace of mind and ensures consistency of enforcement both on and off-road.

 

In this great motoring land which we call Britain, it is a source of pride for me to ensure that our classical road-going values are upheld in all circumstances.

[hardcopy]

to be clear they are issueing tickets on yellow lines that aren't recognised by any authority, too thin, too faint, and not terminated.

 

They put signs up after people were parked in these areas, some areas are patches of gravel - some are parking spaces w/ out any 'don't park here markings'. and the yellow lines i was parked on is on land not owned by the company paying them to enfore the parking.

[My Real Name]

CIEOS(Civil Independent Enforcement Officers) take the power invested in them to issue parking charges very seriously' date=' and would not issue one lightly - particularly in the current climate. I think for parking on double-yellows the best bet is to pay the charge...... contray to popular beliefe privately-issued tickets should be treated the same as those issued by the council or police.[/quote']

I understand your point about CIEOS operating outside of their remit - and I totally agree

 

However, using recognized termoinology gives the public peace of mind and ensures consistency of enforcement both on and off-road.

 

In this great motoring land which we call Britain, it is a source of pride for me to ensure that our classical road-going values are upheld in all circumstances.

 

Utter bilge.

 

Ticketers outwith the decriminalised parking system have no powers, vested, invested, or otherwise. Likewise, any remit under which you suggest they are working is entirely arbitrary.

 

The use of statutory terminology is disingenuous at best, and fraudulent.

 

There's nothing that you have posted that is supported by observed practice or fact.