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    • Morning, I purchased a car from Big Motoring World on 10th December 2023 for £14899.00. On the 15th December I had a problem with the auto start stop function of the car in which the car would stop in the middle of the road with a stop start error message. I called the big assist and the car was booked in for February. The BMW was with them for a week and it came back with the auto stop start feature all fine and all error codes cleared on the report from big motoring world. within 5 days I had the same issue. Warning light coming on and the car stopping. I called big assist again and the car was again booked in for an other repair in May. Car was taken back in may, they had the car for a week and returned with the report saying no issue with the auto stop start feature and blamed my driving. Within 5 days of having the car back it broke down again. This time undrivable. I had the rac pick my car up and take to Stephen James BMW for a full diagnostic. The diagnostic came back with the car needing a new fuel system as magnetic swarf was found.  I have sent big motoring world a letter stating all the issues and that under the consumer rights act 2015 I have asked for a replacement vehicle. all reports from Stephen James BMW have been sent over to big motoring world. Big motoring world have come back and said they will respond to my complaint within 14 days for the date of my complaint letter. I am not feeling confident on the response from them, what are my next steps?   Thanks in advance. 
    • That is really good is that a mistake last off "driver doesn't have a licence" I assume that should be keeper? The Court requested me to send the Court and applicant proof of my sons disability from their GP this clearly shows he has Severe Mental Impairement, he is also illiterate.  I naively assumed once the applicant received this that they would drop the claim.  It offends me that Bank has asked the Judge to throw the case out at the preliminary hearing and to make us pay up.
    • Hi, we are looking to get some opinions on weather or not to bother fighting this PCN. This comes from a very big retail park parking where there are restaurants, hotel, amongst other businesses. The parking is free but I suppose there must be a time limit on it that I am not aware of. We were in the area for around 4 hours. Makes us wonder how they deal with people staying in the hotel as the ANPR is on what appears to be a publicly maintained street (where london buses run) which leads to the different parking areas including the hotel.  1 Date of the infringement 26/05/2024 2 Date on the NTK  31/05/2024 3 Date received 07/06/2024 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]  YES 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Entry and exit photos however, based on the photographs we are almost sure the photos are taken on public street. This is the location I believe photos are taken from.  https://maps.app.goo.gl/eii8zSmFFhVZDRpbA 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A 7 Who is the parking company? UKPA. UK Parking Administration LTD 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] The Colonnades, Croydon, CR0 4RQ For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. British Parking Association (BPA) Thanks in advance for any assistance.  UKPA PCN The Collonades-redacted.pdf
    • Thank you for posting their WS. If we start with the actual WS made by the director one would have doubts that they had even read PoFA let alone understood it. Point 10  we only have the word of the director that the contract has been extended. I should have had the corroboration of the Client. Point 12 The Judge HHJ Simkiss was not the usual Judge on motoring cases and his decisions on the necessity of contracts did not align with PoFA. In Schedule 4 [1[ it is quite clearly spelt out- “relevant contract” means a contract (including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land) between the driver and a person who is—(a)the owner or occupier of the land; or (b authorised, under or  by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land; And the laughable piece of paper from the land owners cannot be described as a contract. I respectfully ask that the case be dismissed as there is no contract. WE do not even know what the parking regulations are which is really basic. It is respectfully asked that without a valid contract the case cannot continue. One would imagine that were there a valid contract it would have been produced.  So the contract that Bank has with the motorist must come from the landowner. Bank on their own cannot impose their own contract. How could a director of a parking company sign a Statement of Truth which included Point 11. Point 14. There is no offer of a contract at the entrance to the car park. Doubtful if it is even an offer to treat. The entrance sign sign does not comply with the IPC Code of Conduct nor is there any indication that ANPR cameras are in force. A major fault and breach of GDPR. Despite the lack of being offered a contract at the entrance [and how anyone could see what was offered by way of a contract in the car park is impossible owing to none of the signs in the WS being at all legible] payment was made for the car to park. A young person in the car made the payment. But before they did that, they helped an elderly lady to make her payment as she was having difficulty. After arranging payment for the lady the young lad made his payment right behind. Unfortunately he entered the old lady's number again rather than paying .for the car he was in. This can be confirmed by looking at the Allow List print out on page 25. The defendant's car arrived at 12.49 and at 12.51 and 12.52  there are two payments for the same vrm. This was also remarked on by the IPC adjudicator when the PCN was appealed.  So it is quite disgraceful that Bank have continued to pursue the Defendant knowing that it was a question of  entering the wrong vrm.  Point 21 The Defendant is not obliged to name the driver, they are only invited to do so under S9[2][e]. Also it is unreasonable to assume that the keeper is the driver. The Courts do not do that for good reason. The keeper in this case does not have a driving licence. Point 22. The Defendant DID make a further appeal which though it was also turned down their reply was very telling and should have led to the charge being dropped were the company not greedy and willing to pursue the Defendant regardless of the evidence they had in their own hands. Point 23 [111] it's a bit rich asking the Defendant to act justly and at proportionate cost while acting completely unjustly themselves and then adding an unlawful 70% on to the invoice. This  is despite PoFA S4[5] (5)The maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper by virtue of the right conferred by this paragraph is the amount specified in the notice to keeper under paragraph 9[2][d].  Point 23 [1v] the Director can deny all he wants but the PCN does not comply with PoFA. S9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN only quotes the ANPR arrival and departure times which obviously includes a fair amount of driving between the two cameras. Plus the driver and passengers are a mixture of disabled and aged persons who require more time than just a young fit single driver to exit the car and later re enter. So the ANPR times cannot be the same as the required parking period as stipulated in the ACT. Moreover in S9[2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; You will note that in the PCN the words in parentheses are not included but at the start of Section 9 the word "must" is included. As there are two faults in the PCN it follows that Bank cannot pursue the keeper . And as the driver does not have a driving licence their case must fail on that alone. And that is not even taking into consideration that the payment was made. Point 23 [v] your company is wrong a payment was made. very difficult to prove a cash payment two weeks later when the PCN arrives. However the evidence was in your print out for anyone to see had they actually done due diligence prior to writing to the DVLA. Indeed as the Defendant had paid there was no reasonable cause to have applied for the keeper details. Point 24 the Defendant did not breach the contract. The PCN claimed the Defendant failed to make a payment when they had made a payment.   I haven't finished yet but that is something to start with
    • You don't appeal to anyone. You haven't' received a demand from a statutory body like the council, the police or the courts. It's just a dodgy cowboy company trying it on. You simply don't pay.  In the vast majority of these cases the company deforest the Amazon with threats about how they are going to divert a drone from Ukraine and make it land on your home - but in the end they do nothing.
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Collections are like a dodgy loan shark I think theyre comming to break my legs

 

I have a hsbc student account where the overdraft limit is -1500, and its maxed out.

 

Ive been letting it sit there for a while until im ready to pay it.

 

Infact it was -1560 (i thought i was under the limit) and i received a call from collections asking for a payment, they were very pushy and kept asking me the same question "HOW MUCH ARE YOU ABLE TO PUT IN" I kept saying 60, but she kept asking for more. Eventually my battery ran out on my phone so I just paid the £60 and thought that would be the end of the persistent calls every 10 seconds...

 

interestigly, today I was phoned again, saying they had received the payment and were wondering when I would put more in. I said whats the problem since I am within my allowed limit now. He kept asking how I plan to pay it off and when. I told him not to worry and said i will. He then asked why my student loan handnt gone in so i told him I dont have one anymore.

 

He kept probing further into how i support myself etc but I was evasive because I didnt want to get onto the subject, since I have a job. Also The account was set up for a 4year period since i was planning on a masters but I cut it short after 3 so im no longer a student.

 

The result of it was he probably thought i was some kind of drug lord since when he asked who supports me I just said I didnt want to discuss it and he was very suspicious. I also toyed with the idea of telling him id won the lottery(hah)

He was then asking about my other accounts and I just said I dont need to tell you that.

 

So my question is what can they do? I feel like have probably flagged me up for investigation haha will they try and find out that I have a job? And is it illegal of me to have said i dont have a job to them?

 

Also if i did pay a bit into the account ,say to make me -1000 in credit, are they within their rights to reduce the overdraft to 1000? effectivly not allowing me to use those funds if need be?

 

Thanks for your time!

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Hi Island 44 , welcome to the forum :)

So my question is what can they do? I feel like have probably flagged me up for investigation haha will they try and find out that I have a job? And is it illegal of me to have said i dont have a job to them?

 

It's none of their business where your money comes from, but if your employer pays it into your account they'll know the source ..... if you're paid in cash , let them wonder ........ :rolleyes:

 

Also if i did pay a bit into the account ,say to make me -1000 in credit, are they within their rights to reduce the overdraft to 1000? effectivly not allowing me to use those funds if need be?

 

Have you considered opening an account with a completely different bank for your everyday income & expenses, without going overdrawn ... that way HSBC can't use any money coming in towards the O/D if they arbitrarily reduced the amount , as they have been known to do .....

this link might help:

 

Parachute Account

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/13832-do-you-need-parachute.html

 

 

Then you can just pay them what you can afford to reduce the O/D at your convenience ....... if you can demonstrate that you are reducing it systematically , then they can't chase you too hard for it .... although they'll probably try ......... ,

You also don't have to deal with them over the phone if you don't want to - they just use it to bully people.... tell them to put everything in writing and make sure you keep the correspondence safe, with copies of your letters to them .........

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Thanks, thats very helpful.

 

Yes, I have a different account where all my money goes (non-HSBC), I was going to pay it off at my convienience but they began to phone me and talk quite agressivly down the phone.

 

I could put a fair amount of money in right now, but if they suddenly reduced the overdraft amount it would mean I'd "lose" the ability to use that money if an emergency came up. That is why I feel safer when it is in credit on my non-HSBC account (naturally).

 

My aim was to save up and pay it off in one lump. However they told me I must make payments every 90 days to keep it active, but how much we would not disclose. I suggested I make £1 deposit every 90days to test him a bit, he said it was un acceptable, but he then cut off the conversation quickly when I began probing what the minimum I could do was to get them off my back.

 

The only remaining issue is that im currently entitled to another year interst free OD , since they think im still a student, but im not, can they "get" me for this? hah

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I have to say HSBC seem to be good at this 'harrassment' issue. I have been keeping a diary as suggested on here and then I will write to them to tell them to communicate by letter only. Not really sure how you stand with a student account, but I would imagine that even if you pay a large sum of money to the account, they will probably notify you that you can't use the account anymore. Don't take my word for it, but they seem to be able to do whatever they want atm!

Also another suggestion is to go down the Citizens Advice route and sort a payment plan, eke the payments out.

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I have to say HSBC seem to be good at this ' if you pay a large sum of money to the account, they will probably notify you that you can't use the account anymore.

 

Really would they do this? I didnt think they would since they want me to use the account it seems, "There must be Regular activity" i think the term was. Or has the fact its gone to collections mean my account is flagged as "lets screw this guy over"?

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Again, I'm no expert as I am having troubles with said bank... ours is in dispute due to separation so it might be completely different. Hopefully someone else on here with wider knowledge can help:confused:

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