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Hi eveyone,

 

I am going to terminate a joint (with two other people) shorthold tenancy which has gone periodic after the fixed term. The other two tenants want to stay in the flat and are currently searching for another tenant. I have contacted the LL and he is happy for them to do this (we get on well with the LL.) I will inform the LA in the letter of termination that the LL has been informed of what the other tenants want to do.

 

The LA charges a £250 termination fee (they call it a cleaning fee). I can understand 'checking out' fees that require the inventory to be checked, but the LA has NEVER done an inventory, nor a walk through with us or even checked the state of the flat. Also, as far as a cleaning fee, I understand that if the flat requires cleaning then the money is taken from the deposit (our deposit is held in a TDS), but because our flat is kept very clean and that there will be continuous residence I can't see how the LA can try and charge us this fee.

 

Also, our tenancy contains a clause that says we agree to pay the agency fees associated with the tenancy that are described on a schedule annexed to the tenancy and that the agent will remove outstanding fees from the deposit. There is no 'fees schedule' appended or attached to the tenancy, and everytime I go see the agent the fee has gone up (from £80 to £230 in 8 months for the termination fee). To me, this removes the transparency of the agreement, and constitutes an unfair fee and therefore and unfair term rendering the contract null and void.

 

I am going to write a letter to contest this fee on these points. Do I have a case? Also can the LA deduct money from the deposit for their own fees, I thought the deposit was between the LL and the tenants?

 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

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You should not have to pay any such fees that you have not contractually agreed to.

 

The deposit can be used for whatever is agreed in the contract I think.

 

You sound like you are going about things the right way. You might have to be pushy and be prepared to take legal action. Try and get together as much written evidence as you can.

 

Is your deposit in a protection scheme?

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Hi Steve_M

 

Thanks for the info, and yes our deposit is in a protection scheme. A couple of questions though:

 

You say 'I shouldn't have to pay any fees I haven't contractually agreed to'. Do you say that because they haven't attached the fees schedule to the tenancy? They are going to counter by saying I signed a contract with the above clause in it... is the point I should be pushing the absence of a list of fees?

 

Also, because the payment of the fees is in the contract.. then does this mean that they can legitimately take money from the deposit for the fees?

 

Cheers

 

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I am not a lawyer. I suspect the wording in the contract is important.

 

At one extreme, if the contract says "Agency fees to be paid by tenant as described in the attached schedule", then I would hope that no schedule means no fees.

 

At the other extreme, if the contract says "The tenant will pay all reasonable agency fees required to manage the ending of the tenancy such as payment for checkout inventory and administrative charges with respect to arranging for cleaning. The current schedule of fees is attached". Then you may have to pay some or all of the fees depending on what is regarded as reasonable.

 

I believe the deposit is security for your obligations under the tenancy agreement. If the fees are contractual then they could use the deposit.

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Hmm, well it seems then that as much as a I feel the fee is not fair, if they don't agree then they will just take the cash from the deposit. I am certain they won't agree as their livelihood depends upon them getting fees....

 

Is this being too cynical?

 

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Hmm, well it seems then that as much as a I feel the fee is not fair, if they don't agree then they will just take the cash from the deposit. I am certain they won't agree as their livelihood depends upon them getting fees....

 

Is this being too cynical?

 

carti946

 

That's why they set up the tenancy deposit protection legislation. If you take action then in future they will have to be much clearer to their tenants about the fees they charge. The fees will therefore be much more subject to market forces.

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