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    • next time dont upload 19 single page pdfs use the sites listed on upload to merge them into one multipage pdf.. we aint got all day to download load single page files 2024-01-15 DBCLegal SAR.pdf
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    • Hi,   I am not sure if I posted this already here but I don't think I did. I attach a judgement that raises very interesting points IMO. Essentially EVRi did their usual non attendance that we normally see, however the judge (for the first time I've seen in these threads) dismissed the notice and awarded me judgement by default because their notice misses the "confirmation of compliance" paragraph. in and out in 3 minutes (aside from the chat at the end with the judge about his problems with evri) Redacted - evri CPR loss.pdf
    • Just to update this. I did apply to strikeout and they did not attend the hearing. I won by defualt and the hearing lasted 5 minutes (court only allocated 15). The judge simply explained that the only matter he was really considering is if the Defendant could have any oral evidence to defend the claim. However he said he had decided that based on their defence, and their misunderstanding of law, and their non attendence he did not think they had any reasonsable chance so he awarded me SJ + Costs on the claim form + the strikeout fee. Luckily when I sent the defendant the order I woke up the next day to a wire trasnfer for the full sum of the judgement
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Hi all I am new to the forum but have found it a really good read.

I have a lot of unsecured debt both loans and cc and would be most graeful if i cuold have some questions answered please

1.I am in a dmp can i still use the unenforcable route

2.If yes what do i have to do get it started.

3.What am i looking to get back from the creditors.

4. Do i inform the dmp company at the start.

5.What about joint debts of which there is only one.

 

I would be thankful for any help with this as.

 

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1.I am in a dmp can i still use the unenforcable route

 

Yes because a DMP is an informal solution to your debt problems rather than a legally binding contract such as an IVA.

2.If yes what do i have to do get it started.

 

You need to start requesting copies of the credit agreements. Use template N here. Send recorded delivery with a one pound postal order and don't sign the letter.

3.What am i looking to get back from the creditors.

 

When you do get a response from your creditors the simplest thing is to post it up and people will be able to tell you if it's enforceable or not.

4. Do i inform the dmp company at the start.

 

Nope. Wait and see what you get back first.

5.What about joint debts of which there is only one.

 

Sorry I'm not clear about what you mean by this. If a debt is unenforceable it is unenforceable - it doesn't matter if it is joint or not. On joint debts you have several and joint liability. Is this what you mean? This means that the creditor can pursue one party or both.

HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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Thakyou rory32 for your reply

With regards to the 5th question what i meant was that we have one joint debt and the rest are in my name,So what i wanted to know was could i still go with the unenforceable route even though it is a joint debt.Also why do i not sign the letters.Have found the templates thanks and will get onto it asap.Also you said wait and see what you get back how long should i be waiting to get a reply on average.Once agian thankyou very much for your help it souns like you have expirience of this.I will keep things posted on forum as and when something happens.In the meantimeany other places to look at rgards this

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The reason you are told not to sign the letters is because it has been alleged that some debt collection agencies will lift your signature onto an agreement !!!...also send each agreement request with a £1 postal order and send each by recorded delivery.....the agreement can only be used for HP/loans/credit cards and does not apply to bank accounts / overdrafts

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Some MIGHT reply after 4 weeks, some you will NEVER hear from again....if you haven't heard from them after 12+2 working days then this is the next letter to send (by recorded delivery)....oh and keep us posted !!

 

Account In Dispute

 

Ref:

 

Dear Sir/Madam

 

Thank you for your letter of xx/xx/xx, the contents of which have been noted.

 

You have failed to respond to my legal request to supply me a true copy of the original Consumer Credit Agreement for the above account.

 

On **DATE** I made a formal request for a true signed agreement for the alleged account under consumer credit Act 1974 s77/8. A copy of which is enclosed for your perusal and ease of reference.

You have failed to comply with my request, and as such the account entered default on **DATE**.

 

The document that you are obliged to send me is a true copy of the executed agreement that contained all of the prescribed terms, all other required terms and statutory notices and was signed by both your company and myself as defined in section 61(1) of CCA 74 and subsequent Statutory Instruments. If the executed agreement contained any reference to any other document, you are also obliged to send me a copy of that document.In addition a full statement of this account should have been sent to me detailing all debits and credits to the account.

 

Furthermore

 

 

You are aware that the Consumer Credit Act allows 12 working days for a request for a true copy of a credit agreement to be carried out before your client enters into a default situation.

 

This limit has expired.

 

As you are no doubt aware section 77(6) states:

 

If the creditor fails to comply with Subsection (1)

 

(a) He is not entitled , while the default continues, to enforce the agreement.

 

Therefore this account has become unenforceable at law.

 

As you have Failed to comply with a lawful request for a true, signed copy of the said agreement and other relevant documents mentioned in it, Failed to send a full statement of the account and Failed to provide any of the documentation requested.

 

Consequentially any legal action you pursue will be averred as both UNLAWFUL and VEXATIOUS.

 

Furthermore I shall counterclaim that any such action constitutes unlawful harassment.

 

Please note you may also consider this letter as a statutory notice under section 10 of the Data Protection Act to cease processing any data in relation to this account with immediate effect.

 

This means you must remove all information regarding this account from your own internal records and from my records with any credit reference agencies.

 

Should you refuse to comply, you must within 21 days provide me with a detailed breakdown of your reasoning behind continuing to process my data.

 

It is not sufficient to simply state that you have a ‘legal right’; You must outline your reasoning in this matter and state upon which legislation this reasoning depends.

 

Should you not respond within 14 days I expect that this means you agree to remove all such data.

 

Furthermore you should be aware that a creditor is not permitted to take ANY

Action against an account whilst it remains in dispute.

 

The lack of a credit agreement is a very clear dispute and as such the following applies.

 

* You may not demand any payment on the account, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you.

* You may not add further interest or any charges to the account.

* You may not pass the account to a third party.

* You may not register any information in respect of the account with any credit reference agency.

* You may not issue a default notice related to the account.

 

 

I reserve the right to report your actions to any such regulatory authorities as I see fit.

You have 14 days from receiving this letter to contact me with your intentions to resolve this matter which is now a formal complaint.

 

I would appreciate your due diligence in this matter.

 

I look forward to hearing from you in writing.

 

Yours faithfully

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Thanks again 42man I am very much hoping they do not send any replies but if they do then that second letter is like knocking on the door with a sledge hammer will keep you informed as to any further developmnets

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I have been waiting almost 2 years for some of mine :p:)

HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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The last post on this guide will give you the info that you need http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/welcome-consumer-forums/107001-how-do-i-dummies.html

HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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I think it may well be compliant (but it might be wise to get other opinions too)....could be a good idea to get the figures checked as well, although i'm not sure how you could do this, but you might pick up something useful on this thread - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-debt-issues/168115-mathematicians-needed-help-credit.html

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