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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi guys,

I bought a car cover for £130 off a guy on a car website in april, and it still hasn't been delivered. It was a private one-off sale, and I paid by direct bank transfer as I trusted the guy :-x... Now he has said royal mail have lost it, blah blah blah, but he did not insure it so cannot claim the money back. Ever since I have been fobbed off with lame excuse after lame excuse.

 

I called the police as it has been 4 months now, they paid him a visit on the grounds of obtaining money by decepiton, but he has convinced them that he admits he owes me £130, and it is all in hand.

 

I am loosing patience now, as I have been messed around for too long, is small claims court the way forward, as the guy is claiming he is off work due to a bike accident, so only has £60 a week. He lives with his parents, so even if I win in court could the baliffs legally enter the property to recover the debt?

 

Any advice would be great, I was going to follow the bank charges model, send him 2 letters then file on moneyclaim online, would this be acceptable? Also can I claim the interest on the initial £130 and the cost of all the phonecalls etc?

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Yes - if you've already sent several requests for a refund then simply send him a final LBA, give him 14 days, then submit a claim.

Opinions given herein are made informally by myself as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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Hi,

Did you ask him to get the postal insurance?

Does he have proof of posting?

 

If he is on benefits you are going to get very little from him if you take court action and win.

The bailiffs can only enter his property if he doesn't pay what the court orders and if he lets them in. If he doesn't answer the door to the bailiffs they will eventually give up. If he doesn't let them in they can't force there way in. As its his parents home I imagine he will say everything belongs to them so I don't think bailiffs would be very successful in this set up.

I hope I don't sound like I'm on the guys side I'm not.

This is the problem with buying off the net, you have to be so careful.

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If you didn't ask him to insure the parcel, you can only claim compensation up to the maximum allowed by Royal Mail, which is a lot less than £130. From the Royal Mail site:

"This compensation is subject to the maximum payable being the lower of the market value of the item and statutory maximum of 100 x 1st Class stamps at the first weight step."

 

In order to do that, you will need proof of posting which he should provide. If he can't provide this, then he should compensate you as there is no way of telling the item was ever sent!

 

If he does give you proof of posting, then I'm afraid you don't have a case against him. You'll have to get compensation from Royal Mail. It's not too late, you have 12 months from the date of posting.

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If you didn't ask him to insure the parcel,

 

In order to do that, you will need proof of posting which he should provide. If he can't provide this, then he should compensate you as there is no way of telling the item was ever sent!

 

If he does give you proof of posting, then I'm afraid you don't have a case against him. You'll have to get compensation from Royal Mail. It's not too late, you have 12 months from the date of posting.

 

Exactly, You are spot on.

thats why I asked the OP if they had asked for an insured delivery and if the seller had proof of posting.!!

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Hi guys,

 

 

I called the police as it has been 4 months now, they paid him a visit on the grounds of obtaining money by decepiton, but he has convinced them that he admits he owes me £130, and it is all in hand.

 

you were lucky the police went round to visit the guy, surely they must have asked to see the proof of posting.

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you know what , it aint the fault for the sellers.

Cause you know what , i have orderd a Shoe pair from eBay , and they took it to deliver here in florida after a month .

I have sent them millions and millions of letters , emails and i almost murderd the bank manager on the phone.

Then almost at the month end of the order , the guy comes in with the delivery report and gives a ltter.

the letter says that they are already busy with millions such orders , when my number came in , i got my delivery.

This is the case with you too.

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OP, if he has no money, I think the best you could get out of him is a very small sum each week, unless his parents do the decent thing and pay you back.

 

Until the OP actually says that the seller has NOT got any proof that he actually sent the item then no one knows for sure that he didn't.

 

The OP said "The guy is off work at the moment." which would make one presume that the guy is an adult, over sixteen at least.

Why would the guys parents have to do the Decent thing, and pay him back.

No one has any way of knowing if the parents knew anything about this.

Once children are over sixteen, the parents are not responsible for their actions.

If the seller was a child then I would agree. I think it can be gleaned from the OP that the seller is an adult. So I don't see that the parents should even be bought into the picture.

 

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Still not had any joy with this, whats the maximum sentance for GBH? :mad::mad:... Incidently, the bank (HSBC) say they cannot do anything as the payment was made by myself, even though the guy is a fraudster, they refuse to help!

 

Also, Can I claim 8% interest on this if I go through the small claims court?

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You still haven't said if the guy has proof of posting or not.!

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Still not had any joy with this, whats the maximum sentance for GBH? :evil::evil:...

 

You might just land yourself in alot of trouble with that attitude,

I don't think a court case is worth bothering with. As the guy you are after is unemployed you are likely to get a pound a month out of him, if your claim is successful.

I think that kind of outcome would wind you up and make you feel worse than you do now.

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A couple of things:

 

1) Even if the sender had proof of posting, it is still his responsability. Whether he can claim off RM or not is not the OP's issue. OP entitled to get full refund for item non received.

 

2) Maybe the guy can pay, maybe he can't. There's no way to ascertain that and it's amazing the number of people who DO find they can pay up after all when faced with the possibility of a CCJ. There is the risk that OP might not recover his money + court fee, but the alternative is kiss goodbye to £130 without a fight. If it were me, I'd spend the money on the court fee and go for it. At worse, I'd lose £30 (£35 now?) and not get my money back, at best, I'd get it all back + interest.

 

If you do decide to go to court, yes, you can add 8% statutory interest (and your court fee on top). You can also claim "reasonable" costs for dealing with the case, at £9.25 an hour, but don't be greedy and over-inflate your costs, that does nothing for your credibility.

 

Yes, there is the risk that the guy will come out with a £1 a week judgment... IF he can convince the judge that that is all he can afford... But you know what? As far as I am concerned, it's always worth doing anyway if only for the moral victory, knowing that maybe he screwed you out of £130, but his credit rating is b*ggered for the next 6 years.

 

In the end, though, it has to be your decision, and no-one else's. ;-)

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I agree with Bookie on this wholly - not sure why it is assumed that it is the OPs issue if the compensation from RM is inadequate - the seller had a responsibility to ensure the goods were delivered and this includes adequate insurance on the item.

 

In addition, again agree with Bookie that to say it is pointless following a claim is just not true, certainly on the information we have. Baliffs are not the only form of enforcement of a CCJ(indeed, they are the worst IMO), and a garnishee order or AoE would probably work wonders in this case.

 

Good luck OP ;)

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Hi Bookworm,

Every thing I sell on line is covered by the royal mail comp which is free when I obtain a proof of posting certificate, I think it covers up to £36. roughly,I always obtain POP when I send an item I've sold.

If the item sold is worth more I give the buyer the opportunity to pay insurance.

Buyers usually wish to pay the insurance.

Are you saying that if the buyer chooses not to pay for the insurance and lets say the item is worth £100. and royal mail looses it then its up to me to refund the buyer in full?

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But the seller didn't offer insurance in this instance, did he? Seller didn't insure goods, didn't offer to buyer to add insurance to purchase, so yes, it is totally 100% his liability and responsability to reimburse buyer. Furthermore, even if buyer were to want to pursue the matter himself (for reasons best known to himself), he couldn't as he doesn't have a contract with RM, the seller does.

 

Edit: As far as you are concerned, if you are charging your customers (not businesses, that's a different matter) insurance, you are in breach of the CPUT Regs 08:

If you are selling to a consumer, you are responsible for the risk of loss or damage in transit, until the goods are delivered. If you wish to take out postal insurance, this is your responsibility, not the consumer's. Postal insurance should therefore not be offered to consumers at an extra charge.
http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/Images/ca12_tcm9-8175.pdf Edited by Bookworm
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But the seller didn't offer insurance in this instance, did he? Seller didn't insure goods, didn't offer to buyer to add insurance to purchase, so yes, it is totally 100% his liability and responsibility to reimburse buyer. Furthermore, even if buyer were to want to pursue the matter himself (for reasons best known to himself), he couldn't as he doesn't have a contract with RM, the seller does.

 

sorry i probably didn't explain my self very well, not very articulate.:oops:

I was asking the question for myself.

I sell quite alot on Ebay.

As I said I always offer insurance , the buyer has to pay. If the goods are worth less than £36. this is covered for free for buyer through the POP which I always obtain. I also give them an option to purchase insurance.

If they decide they don't want insurance (which from memory only one buyer has & the value of item was £60) and RM looses the parcel are you saying I am responsible & have to refund them the full amount.

Thanks

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Yes you are is the short answer, as per Bookies edit above ;)

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Please note that any posts made by myself are for information only and should not and must not be taken as correct or factual. If in doubt, consult with a solicitor or other person of equal legal standing.

 

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