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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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to do something about the situation i now find myself in :(

 

this may end up being a little long winded, i do apologise :)

 

single mum with 3 children (oops and a dog ;))

 

mortgage, but found out that OH wasnt paying his half earlier this year:mad:

i have a part time wage which is paid into my natwest account

DLA for my youngest son

CSA

childrens and working tax credits (overpayment over 2 yrs resulted in them takeing £600 per month to reduce the overpayment to 0 with in a year)

child benefit

 

 

I obviously do not want to sell the house as there are only 3 yrs left on the mortgage.

 

outgoings :(

mortgage

utility bills

natwest loan x 2 (one taken out last year to repay O/D and original loan, and to get myself and the kids back on our feet after him going, only to find out instead of repaying the original loan that they credited that amount back to my account resulting in me now paying 2 loans instead of one

loan 1 £357

loan 2 £154

RBS loan £229

RBS privelige account £154

 

do i :confused: open another account and have everything paid into there, offer token payments or what, im pretty fed up and stressed as its leaving not alot in the bank as you can imagine, and with a home to try to hang onto and 3 kids to feed and clothe etc, its becomming increasingly more difficult.

 

I know your wondering why take out the other loan, but i was well and truely stuck after the csa taking two yr to pay anything for the kids, and being left penniless when he left.

 

When the bank rang me they offered the loan, I did explain the circumstances, single parent part time work, 3 kids, dla (which could change at any moment) tax credits (which again could change at any moment and did to the tune of £600 a month), CSA,

but was assured that i would be okay and would manage, i did try to express my concerns!!

 

So here i am finding myself in a very stressful situation :(

any advice would be appreciated, thankyou in advance

 

honey x

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If I was in your situation, I would see if you can get the £600 tax credit payments lowered. £600 a month for someone in your situation is a huge amount to find.

 

offer token payments on loans and cards. They won't like it though. You could always send CCA requests for the usecured debts you have. See if they have a proper agreement for them. If not, it puts you in a strong situation to either pay what you can afford, or not at all, depending on your moral values.

 

I'd deffo get another bank account. One with no connections to the ones you have loans and cards with. It's not unknown for them to just help themselves if you fall behind with repayments, suddenly making your tricky situation a whole lot worse.

 

Always make sure your mortgage is up to date, and council tax and utility bills are paid. Might be worth shopping around for cheaper deals on gas and electric too.

 

And don't stress. You're in good hands on here. Keep this thread up to date, and everyone will advise you accordingly.

 

Good luck Fuzzybobble

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These are video links to show how I deal with Debt Collectors.

 

Fly fishing for C.A.R.S

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Frederickson International don't accept my card type

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thanks fuzzy xxx :)

 

all utility bills council tax etc are upto date (thankfully) but in order to pay HIS arrears off the mortgage i cant possibly think of any other way of doing it :(

No cards as all cca'd and none returned anything :)

Thing is im going to have to move quick as i'm going to find myself really stuck come next month

Yes i took out these loans and yes im willing to repay them, but just cant manage it right now as circumstances have changed drastically.

thanks for the support xxx

honey x

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I'd still CCA the loans. Puts you in a stronger position on how much you pay them.

Work out an income and expenditure sheet and send it to them offering £1 a month token payments. Explain it's tempory until you can get yourself financially straight again.

 

Deffo go and see if you can get the tax credit thing lowered. As long as the balance is going down, then I'm sure under your present circumstances they would accept that £600 a month is way over the top. Well worth a try anyway.

 

Also see if there's any other benefits you may be entitled to.

These are video links to show how I deal with Debt Collectors.

 

Fly fishing for C.A.R.S

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zPtzK8FqE6k&feature=related

 

Frederickson International don't accept my card type

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZBULlWW6Q&feature=related

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sorry shouldve mentioned, i did contacted them and received a letter stating that i was in a position to "loose" £600 per month, which is ridiculous of course, but they wont enter into an negotiations at all and state that the decision is final :(

 

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Honey5, quick question, privilege account. Is that a fee paying account, ie monthly fee per month? With NatWest did you/do you still have a fee based account, ie advantage gold?

Will try and go through it all slowly but surely.....

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FSA Waiver on Bank Charges:http://www.fsa.gov.uk/pages/Doing/Regulated/Notify/Waiver/pdf/dir_quart_0709.pdf

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the privilege account is with RBS and is a credit caard account :(

 

i have an advantage gold account with natwest, everying thing is paid into and out of this account

 

I feel awful having to do this as i have had an account with natwest for 30yrs and they have always been so good to me, but circumstances right now dictate that this is impossible to keep up all of these repayments.

Hopefully it will be short term

 

honey x

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get rid of the advantage gold account for now, convert it back to a current plus. It will save you £12.95 a month. You do not need to keep it for the loan. Did you ask the bank at the time to investigate why they did not close the old loan account?

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i also have another account with them, but find that they just take from one to cover the other :(

i didnt as it was months later that i realised (i know i shouldve checked every statement and didnt)

 

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Unfortunately, I can imagine what the response would be now. Otherwise I would have gone along that route of account mismanagement. ADGold get rid of asap cos it is not helping you at the moment.

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I feel awful having to do this as i have had an account with NatWest for 30yrs and they have always been so good to me, but circumstances right now dictate that this is impossible to keep up all of these repayments.

 

honey, try not to be too sentimental about things like that. Believe me, the bank will not be so considerate. Do what's best for you and your kids - they are the only people that matter.

 

Regards.

 

Fred

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Before you criticise another man you should first walk a mile in his shoes. Then, when you criticise him, you'll be a mile away and he won't have any shoes on.

 

Don't get me confused with somebody knowledgeable by all those green blobs. I got most of them by making people laugh.

 

I am not European, I am English.

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thanks Fred :) my concerns are naturally what the repercussions of having to do this are, Im hoping its just a short term situation but its certainly an iminent one.

 

honey x

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My pleasure honey and thanks for tipping my scales - it's given me another green blob!

 

Regards.

 

Fred

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Don't get me confused with somebody knowledgeable by all those green blobs. I got most of them by making people laugh.

 

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