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    • She's an only child and he as a brother and sister. He has no will and we have done a check on this to find out if he had left one and nothing has come up. He has savings of around 28k His sister and brother are well off so 28k is nothing to them and aren't interested in his money. This just leaves my wife/his daughter. Would this still need to go to probate there is no estate e.g house or business to sell and the amount left in his bank is just small? When his wife died they just closed her bank account and moved her money across to his account and we just assumed that once my wife has handed in the death certificate and shown evidence of who she is the same would apply to her? We don't know yet the council have only just written to us today with a guide of what to do next.  
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    • Hi   Sorry I probably wasn't clear enough. He had lived in the flat until December 2022 with Dementia by this time it was unsafe for him to have capacity to live on his own and he had to move into a nursing home. We had left it too late to apply for power of attorney so approached a solicitor in March last year for Deputyship. We were still in the process of dealing with it by May 2024. He passed away a few weeks ago and the solicitor was contacted to halt the application and we will just pay the fees of what work he has done up until now. My wife was the named person on her dads bank account but we didn't have the ability to alter any direct debits hence the reasons for applying for Deputyship as we were having problems trying to stop some payments coming out of his account Eon being another difficult company. We kept his flat on from December 2022 - August 2023. it was at this point I contacted Sancutary housing to inform them he was no longer living in the flat, it had been cleared out and was ready for a new tenant and that he had Dementia and had moved into a nursing home December 2022 and explained the reasons why we kept it on. As the named person to speak on his behalf I asked them what proof they needed in order to give notice on the flat e.g proof of dementia and proof that he was living in a nursing home and anything else they wanted. The lady in the upstairs flat and some of the other residence in the street had asked about him and we had told them he had moved into a nursing home. The lady in the upstairs flat wanted his flat for medical reasons so asked us once we had given notice could be let her know and she'll ask them if she can have it. We explained the difficulties and it was left at that but I did tell her I would let her know once notice was given. I contacted the company by email a number of times and also telephone conversations and nobody followed it up and it wasn't till the end of February this year that the housing manager for the area wrote to our home address to ask about him that he had been to the flat a couple of times and nobody answered and he had asked some of the residence in the street and they hadn't seen him for sometime. There was an email address on the letter so I contacted him and copied in the last 2 emails I sent Sanctuary regarding me wanting to give notice on the flat for at least 9 months explaining that it went ignored as well as telephone calls. I also stated I wanted to have his rent payments returned from the date I wanted to give notice which was from August 2023 as the bank wouldn't let us stop the DD without POT or deputyship explaining we were in the process of Deputyship. He gave some excuse about not having POT to cancel on his behalf and spoke to someone in HR and said he would contact the nursing home to confirm he was there with Dementia and if it all checks out we can give notice on the flat which came to an end on the 22 March 2024. There was not mention of back payments for the rent already paid or the fact I had asked to give notice in August 2023. Despite someone living in the flat from 1st April they continue to take DD payments for the flat and have taken another 2 payments of £501. another concerning thing despite Eon not allowing us to cancel the DD to his account the lady upstairs informed Eon that she was moving into the flat February 2024 and Eon refunding the account to his bank and said in an email sorry you are leaving us and canceled his account. Something they wouldn't let us do but a stranger. She also changed her bank account to his address despite the fact notice hadn't been given on the flat yet. So we need to find out how much information Sanctuary actually had for her to tell her power company she was moving into the flat in February despite the housing manager only just getting in contact to find out where he was. So a complaint is going into Eon and Sanctuary and we are going to take advice and ask the bank to charge back the rent. My wife hasn't taken the death certificate to the bank yet to inform them of his passing.  
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Hi Guys, I got another one for you. I got behind with my Council Tax (only a couple of months, so i'm amazed the council sent it to Rossendales so quickly to be honest). But I paid it a while ago, I thought I paid it before I had my first letter from Rossendales, but they are saying I didn't. I just rang them this morning because when I got home last night, I had a notice of distress waiting for me. Not impressed, so I rang them to tell them I'd paid it online. She said the council told them it'd been paid on the 11th June, and the Bayliff first called around on the 6th June. Therefore I owe them the charges, for the first and second visit, the second being yesterday. I am not paying these charges - so is there anything I can do? Are they likely to carry on chasing me, carry on adding costs, so it goes up and up?

Any advice appreciated

Thanks guys.

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Have they provided proof that they did visit your house? Did they leave a card on both occasions?

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I have a letter from their first visit, and a notice of distress from their second. The second visit I know full well was after I had paid it off through the council, the first visit, I think was the same day as I paid it, or a couple of days before, i need to check when I made the payment, I'll have the receipt email somewhere.

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I've just checked the receipt from the council, and it was paid on the 6th, so can't I argue that charge with them? I refuse to pay extra money - I have paid what I owed and I think that should be the end of it.

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You have absolutely no legal obligation to pay the bailiffs anything. Nor is this anything to do with the council any more. They have their money so that concludes their involvement.

 

The fact that the council think the bailiffs should get something is irrelevant. If anybody argues differently, ask them for a copy of the stamped court order appertaining to the bailiffs 'rights' to these self inflicted 'expenses'.

 

Was there a magistrates liability order or did the council just employ them without any liability order?

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Without sounding daft, what is a liability order? I have only had the bill from the council, a letter from the bayliff, i think it said "Notice of Warrant" at the top, and then this "notice of distress".

I rang the company earlier and she said that the council notified them of payment received, but I still have their charges to pay.....I just wanted to know if they are going to keep coming to my house/sending me letters as I am going to refuse to pay them! They are nothing but bullies.

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A liability order is something the council can apply for if someone fails to pay rates. For this to happen you must have notice from the council and a date for a magistrates hearing which in the words of the letter you should have received is an opportunity for you 'to show good reason why you have not paid'.

 

If you haven't received that letter and if there has been no magistrates hearing and if your council has appointed bailiffs before this legal procedure has commenced then your council has been more than a little bit naughty. They've almost certainly acted illegally. Thus anything you have received from a bailiff is nothing more than intimidation based on a lie.

 

I have no idea what a 'Notice of warrant' or 'notice of distress' are and although there are similar terms such as 'Warrant Of Execution' and 'Distress Warrant' which are produced by a court, the ones you refer to may possibly be the product of imaginative but untruthful bailiffs pretending that they have court documents.

 

In short - attempted fraud by Rossendales as described by Section 3 of the Fraud Act 2006.

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Thank you so much for explaining that to me. I am going to go through the paperwork I have received from the Council and also from Rossendales to be doubly sure that I haven't ever received a Liability Order. If I haven't, which I'm pretty sure of, then are these Charges from the Bayliff illegal?

 

If I have received one, does this mean that I have to pay them? Really sorry for all the questions, I'm trying to sort myself out Financially, and all these bills/debts keep popping up. I keep trying to clear them, only to find its gone up due to charges of one description or another. Im fighting a losing battle!

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Sadly, when we receive copies of screen shots from bailiff companies it shows very clearly that many bailiff companies apply a first and many times a second visit charge to the account on the VERY DAY that they received instructions from the council.

 

Whether this is a mistake, error or fraud....that it for you to decide.

 

In fact this very point is the subject of a Court hearing in 2 weeks time from a previous poster on this forum !!! (He also refused to pay and stood his ground).

 

I would suggest writing to the company to say that although this is a small amount you beleive that this charge is wrong and that you therefore require a copy of the screen shot of your account as proof.

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If you haven't received a liability order, and assuming that the rates are for the year 2008 - 2009 then you only owe for April - June 2008. If you have a liability order then what you owe is what is printed on that. You owe no more.

 

Yes, bailiffs are entitled to fees but they have no legal authority to enforce them, so forget the bailiffs, you owe them nothing as you are neither in contract with them nor subject to a court order that grants them fees.

 

Must apologise too for some incorrect information given yesterday. Courts produce Warrants Of Execution and Liability Orders and councils may issue Distress Warrants.

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