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    • Morning dx and thank you for your message.   With regards to your comment about them not needing to produce the deed, the additional directions ordered by the judge included 'a copy of any assignment o the debt or agreement relied upon'  so that is why I thought that point was relevant?
    • Sorry for the long post but I don't want to miss out any relevant information: My wife bought a car from Trade Centre UK and have been having nothing but trouble with it. Unfortunately we paid of the finance used to buy the car as we weren't expecting this much trouble with the car as we we though we would have protection as buying from a dealer. We are wondering if we can still reject the vehicle since the finance plan has been paid off. Timeline is as follows: 13/12/2023 -15/12/2023 Bought car from Trade Centre UK for £10548 £2000 deposit paid on credit card on 13/12/2023 £8548 on finance from Moneybarn (arranged through Trade Centre UK). picked up car on 15/12/2023 Also bought lifetime warranty for £50/month 25/12/2023 Engine Management Light comes on. The AA called out and diagnosed the following error codes: P0133 - Lambda sensor (bank 1, sensor 1) Oxygen Sensor. Error Message : Slow reaction. Error sporadic P0135 - Lambda sensor heat. circ.(bank1,sensor1) Oxygen Sensor. Error Message : Component defective Due to it being Christmas took a few days to get through to them but they booked me in for 28/12/2023 to run their own diagnostics. 28/12/2023 Took car in to Trade Centre so could check the car – They agreed it was the Oxygen Sensor and Booked me in for repair on 30/01/2024. I was told they had no earlier slots, and I would be fine to carry on driving car when I said I was afraid of problem worse. During diagnosing the problem, they reset the Engine Management Light. During drive home light comes back on. 29/12/2023 - 29/01/2024 I carry on driving the car but closer to the date, engine goes to reduced power every now and again – not being a mechanic I presumed that this was due to above fault. 20/01/2024 Not expecting any more problems paid off the finance on the car using personal loan from bank with lower interest rate. 30/01/2024 Trade Centre replace to O2 sensor (They also take it on a roughly 60mile road trip which seems a bit excessive to me – I can’t prove this as something prompted me take a picture of milage when I handed car in but I forgot take one on collection – only remembered next day.) 06/02/2024 Engine goes in reduced power mode again and engine management light comes on – Thinking the Trade centre’s 28 day warranty period was over I booked the car the into local garage for the next day to get problem fixed under the lifetime warranty package. Fault seems to clear after engine was switched off. 07/02/2024 In the Morning, I take it to local garage who say as the light gone off – the warranty company is unlikely to cover the cost of the repair or diagnostics and recommend I contact them when the light comes back on. In the evening the light comes back on and luckily I manage to get it back to the garage just before it shuts for the day. 08/02/2024 The Garage sends me a diagnostics video showing a lot error codes been picked up by their diagnostics machine including codes for Oxygen sensor and Nox Sensors, Accelerator pedal and several more. Video also shows EGR Hose not connected to the intake manifold properly, they believed this was confusing the onboard system as it is unlikely this many sensors would trigger at same the time but they couldn’t be certain until they repaired the hose. 13/02/2024 Finally get the car back as it took a while to get approval and payment for the repairs from the Warranty company. Garage told me to keep an eye the car as errors had cleared with the hose but couldn’t 100% certain that’s what caused the problem. 06/03/2024 Engine management light comes on again. Fed up I go into Trade Centre as I was just around the corner when it happened and asked them how to reject the car or have the problem fixed. They insist that as it’s over 28 days I need to get the car fixed under the warranty package I purchased and they could no longer fix the car as it was over 28 days. When I tried telling them it appeared to be the same or related problem they said they couldn’t help as I hadn’t contacted them earlier. I asked them if they were willing to connect the car to the diagnostics machine and tell me what the problem was, as a goodwill gesture, which he agreed to do and took the car to the back He came back around 30 minutes later and said they took a look at the sensor they replaced previously and there was nothing wrong with it and engine management light went off when they removed the sensor to check it. When I asked what the error code he couldn’t give me an exact fault but the said it one of the problems I told him earlier (Accelerator pedal). I have this visit audio recorded on my phone – I informed the reps I was recording several times. As the light wasn’t on, local garage couldn’t book me for a repair under warranty. 07/03/2024 Light came on so managed to book back into local garage for the 12/03/2024 Whilst waiting to take car into garage, I borrowed a OBD sensor and scanned for errors on the car. This showed the following errors: P11BE – Manufacturer specific code (Google showed this to be NOX sensor) P0133 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Response too Slow 12/03/2024 Took car to local garage and the confirmed the above errors. This leads me to believe that either Trade Centre UK reps lied and just reset the light or just didn’t check properly (Obviously I am unable to prove this) 22/03/2024 Finally got the car back as according to garage, the warranty company took a long to time to pay for the repairs 28/04/2024 Engine management Light has come back on. Using the borrowed OBD scanner I am getting the following codes: P0133 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Response too Slow P2138 - Accelerator Position Sensors (G79) / (G185): Implausible Correlation I have not yet booked into a garage as I wanted to see what my rights are in terms of rejecting the car as to me the faults seem related. I can’t keep using taxi or train to get to work every time the car goes into the garage as it is getting very expensive. Am I right in thinking that they have used up their chance to repair when they conducted the repair end of January or when they refused to repair it in February ? If I am still able to reject the vehicle could you point to any sample letters or emails I can use. Thankyou for your advice on my next steps.
    • Ok noted about the screenshot uploads. In terms of screwing up I had one previous ticket that defaulted and ended up in a CCJ from Southend airport because for some reason during COVID I didn't receive their claim form just a notice of default. This hospital ticket was the 2nd ticket that went to CCJ due to a lack of knowledge of the process. Maybe it's easier just to pay them in future I'm thinking though, I don't get them very often anyway
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    • please stop posting up unnecessary unnamed screenshot files  you've done it throughout your threads and we have to renamed them. RENAME THE FILE before you upload if its just text information like a defence or a claim history or a link to a previous post  type it here not by an unnamed screenshot attachment  . sorry NM but you've been here dealing with PPC claims since 2021 somehow you always manage to screw up.......or do totally the opposite of std repeated advice on 10'000 of PPC threads here you are your own worst enemy... dx  
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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caryl, it is not appropiate for you to discuss or disclose details of an ongoing case in a public forum

 

I understand your comments have been printed but you should refrain from discussing a case or its specific particulars in public.

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Mark, perhaps you would care to back up your assertions that the case should not be discussed with the relevent legislation that prevents further discussion?

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not more thought police posts purleeze !

 

what ongoing case ? - have papers been issued to Caryl from the Court.

how on earth could you know ? ?

 

wow a print out from a forum - what a weapon !

I wonder if it is as informative as a print out from Perky's website site ? :)

Too late all safely captured . . .

 

have no fear though Mark - all the good stuff won't go onto the forum - not until fat lady sings...

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caryl, it is not appropiate for you to discuss or disclose details of an ongoing case in a public forum

 

I understand your comments have been printed but you should refrain from discussing a case or its specific particulars in public.

 

Subject to compliance with site rules, anyone can discuss anything they like on this forum. This is after all what this forum is all about.

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caryl, it is not appropiate for you to discuss or disclose details of an ongoing case in a public forum

 

I understand your comments have been printed but you should refrain from discussing a case or its specific particulars in public.

 

Whereas it is in fact ok to fabricate a story, pm someone that story and attempt to dupe someone into providing information? My friend the police officer doesnt seem to think that is ok, and my friend the lawyer says its definately dodgy ground...

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Should also add that in previous correspondence I was informed I was now liaible to pay over £250 if this went to court. Funnily enough the Court claim is for alot less than that...

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Should also add that in previous correspondence I was informed I was now liaible to pay over £250 if this went to court. Funnily enough the Court claim is for alot less than that...

 

You probably have advice coming out of your ears by now.

 

I would hope that demanding what is more than lawfully due would count as inappropriate conduct. You should also point out that £25 is used to "compensate" the landowner according to the CPS terms of business. If the landowner would otherwise have received nothing then this is surely an unlawful penalty.

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What happened to this thread? Perky up to his usual tricks?

 

It would be a good idea to carry dark glasses and a hat, in your car, to put on anytime you enter a PPC control area. Then exit the vehicle from another door.

 

These people are determined and for sure will be planning how to get over the prove you drove the car problem, by upgrading cameras and software, sufficiently to capture an identifiable image of the driver within a vehicle.

Thanks to action group

 

Harris V abbey : settled

 

Glasgow Council Parking appeal won

 

Harris vs Santander: BCOB threats below had them refund charges, donate compensation to charity and alter branch policy.

 

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pictures alone do not 'identify' anyone. why do think passport photo are sealed and stamped over ?

It would cost the PPCs a fortune to go this route and it is still very questionable. and a two edged sword for them, well three edged when I think about it.

besides the who parked the car thing is only one hurdle they have to overcome.

 

its gone very quiet on here about CPS lately - have we been 'de-trolled' ?

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its gone very quiet on here about CPS lately - have we been 'de-trolled' ?

Licking their wounds after the Oldham debacle?

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To embarassed to come here now, that Perky and his Scottish Rep was so sure of a win. How do we know Perky & Co. are embarassed?

 

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they were very active shortly after the oldham decision when the wounds were freshest so I don't believe it is that.

As for embarrassment - I can't see that ever affecting any PPC never mind CPS.

It is nice to be quieter .

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Or, due to the recent defeat, CPS and other PPCs are keeping the cards closer to the chest for future court cases.

 

As no doubt, a defeat in the court is damaging for the business, which potential land owner would want to employ the services of a company which, a) loses cases, b) publically talks about the cases in a totally unprofessional manner and c) assumes a win before even the prelim hearing and invites the press along.

 

It puts a bad name on all the PPC's and the BPA should take action against cowboys like CPS and other PPC's who act in unprofessional manners such as CPs have done in the past, just in this 1 case alone.

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Out of interest (having obviously never been to court before) How long after returning the claim form am I likely to end up in court? Bearing in mind of course that needs to be allocated to my local court?

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Sorry, when you say "claim form", which part are you referring to? (having deleted your posts makes it a little difficult to work it out, LOL)

 

If you mean you were served with form N1 and you sent back an acknowledgment denying all of the claim and your intention to defend, you have 28 days from the date of postal service of the N1 to lodge your defence. It's very important you do not miss that deadline or the claimant will be able to claim default judgment against you.

 

If you have sent your defence already, then the claim (came from MCOL in Northampton, I presume?) will get transferred to your local court and local judge for allocation, and you'll get something called an Allocation Questionnaire, which has a 14 days deadline. Once that has been returned to the local court, the judge will determine how long to allocate to the hearing and which track is the right one, and allocate a hearing date from that info. Depending on how big and busy your local court is, you're probably looking at 2-3 months down the line?

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Hi All,

You will all be pleased to hear that this case today was heard in a FULL hearing at Southampton County Court.

The case was heard before District Judge Grand under case reference 8QT50123 - The hearing lasted approx 90mins.

This was the second case with a defence fully prepared by CAG/PePiPoo and submitted to the court by the defendant.

Remember that CAG/PePiPoo defences would always see off a PPC and show their charges were unenforceable.

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Sorry .. forgot to post the report from the court !

 

The defence when submitted was a standard one by CAG/PePiPoo users (we now know exactly who offers to help and who is involved with the defences) ..

The defendant was very nice and pleasant and I have to say a complete opposite of the last one they provided (Mr Thomas – who was arrogant and rude) .. She appreciated this was nothing personal but a business decision.

The lady never admitted being the driver and in fact stated it could have been her mother or bother as they often used the car – The judge asked her the direct question “who was driving” and she stated she did not know.

The other parts of the defence (ie, It’s a penalty) together with the case law they normally provide were heard by the court.

Judgement was given to CPS as the judge found on the balance of probabilities the defendant was driving and that she had a very ‘selective memory’ and ‘evasive’ when answering questions. (this referred to the ID of the driver)

The judge heavily criticised the defence used (provided by the so called experts at CAG/PePiPoo) .. He stated the selective use of case law references showed it was not professionally done, this was a reference and their total mis-understanding of the Vine case.

So here it goes again, another case where the defendant did not admit to being the driver (even when asked by the judge), the normal things about it being a penalty and not enforceable were tested and found to be rubbish.

This case AGAIN shows that tickets if issued correctly are 100% enforceable and they are a legally enforceable parking charge and that by parking the defendant consented to the conditions.

So it goes CAG/PePiPoo 0 CPS 2 (100%) – I suspect they will say its another fluke of a result, how many do they need ??? Funny when they were misinformed about Thomas back in May they were all singing from the rooftops about the solid basis of their arguments.

I did speak with the defendant afterwards and she admitted going onto the forums asking for advice and being railroaded into fighting it on promises it would fail etc..

The total payable by defendant is £263.30 (original charge £60.00) so more than 4 times the original amount.

I doubt the helpers will be brave enough to stand up (they have all been silent since Thomas) … It just leaves another person who came to CAG/PePiPoo very disappointed and heavily out of pocket.

The forums really should open up and allow both sides of the argument to be heard, this person went along for help to see everyone agreeing with each other and thought ‘they must be right’ … only to find out they were very very wrong.

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your understanding is incorrect. where on earth did you get that idea ? also this post Help Me! - FightBack Forums shows that as of yesterday afternoon no help had been forthcoming from pepipoo. As the defense must have been filed before yesterday that is why I asked to see the actual papers - not the newspapers. Does this second win mean that Perky will actually pick up the challenge that was given by one of the pepipoo mods ?

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