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A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
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    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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maybe if kateanded (a first time poster) posted all relevant paperwork -suitably washed of personal details we could make an informed call. Until then I would still say do noy bother with the appeal as that is exactly what the PPCs want - none of them will take calls about it appeals they ALL want written ones. So it is part of the business model. As their business is a [problem] there is no way I would recommend anyone actually going along the path of the [problem] - unless you know what you are doing and wish to chew the legs of the [problematic] that is :) :) :). there are not that many that know how to do that and they already by definition know all about the [problem] and don't need advice on it. So advice/policy remains the same - do not appeal its a trick (just like their whole business)

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well if kate says she won an appeal then i believe her. good on you kate!

 

i think the important point though is that every ppc is probably slightly different, and whilst the ppc she wrote to responded, others probably wouldn't.

 

i guess it depends really. at least in most cases if you don't reply you still get a plentiful supply of toilet paper to last you a year or so.

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i think the important point though is that every ppc is probably slightly different, and whilst the ppc she wrote to responded, others probably wouldn't.

 

I don't think G24 have previously had a reputation on these forums for being a PPC that responds favourably to "appeals". Not sure why they would have done so in this case and I, like lamma, would love to know some of the detail that prompted this change of heart in this case.

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I received first letter from G24 around 16th sept. This showed photos of car entering and leaving car park, as I said 12 mins late. I was offered reduced rate etc.. blah blah blah! I ignored first letter (not deliberately, was just busy) then received 2nd "final reminder" on 29th sept. Contained all the usual threats mentioned in this forum (Debt recovery, keeper responsible etc.) This is when I found this site and basically copying Bernie The Bolts' template wrote this...

Dear Sirs,

Re your letter dated 29th sept, ref **********

It appears you have obtained my details from the DVLA and I can confirm I am the keeper of the vehicle in question. I wasn't, however, driving the vehicle that day so I am not legally liable for the charge. I therefore suggest that you take up this matter with the driver concerned.

In the meantime I absolutely deny that the amount claimed by you, or indeed any amount at all, is due from me to you.

Yours Faithfully.

 

Not so much of an appeal more a case of I know my rights so stick it!!!

 

Three days later I received the reply from G24 that I posted above. I was as surprised as everyone after reading other posts about reams of demanding letters, and was prepared to ignore any future correspondance. Perhaps I just got lucky, its got to be worth a try by others though...it was a great feeling!!

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Hi all keep up the good work it's awesome!

 

Right my problem is that a couple of months back my vehicle was served with a PCN from Euro Car Parks LTD in Southampton, in a open shopping area car park.

 

I have received no correspondance in relation to this until this morning when i opened a letter from a debt collection agency, informing me "we have been instructed by our above named client and regret to note that you have failed to contact them with your proposals for settlement of this overdue account" and "this account has been passed to ourselves with firm instructions to commence litigation and judgement against you"

 

They have requested payment of the £75 charge within 5 days(no chance). My question is how should i deal with this matter, as i haven't received any previous letters from ECP i am unsure of how to react. Which letter would be best to send to them etc..

 

Any help would be fantastic thanks in advance

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Hi Simmo0020,

You could always pay the 'fine' and then they will definately go away, or, you could take the excellent advice from Crem, choice is yours.

regards

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Hello everyone i hope that you will be able to help me and answer a question.

 

Today i parked in the ASDA car park in Crawley to purchase a few items. I go their regularly and was aware that a pay and display operated at the carpark but thought that it was run by ASDA as they normally refund the ticket after purchasing goods from there.

 

Anyway today i had no change on me so ran in to get a few bits. When i returned i found a Civil Penalty Notice from TOWN AND CITY PARKING LTD for £60 but £30 if i pay within 10 days. Originally i was going to pay the £30 so that it does not go up to £60 and then write to them appealing the decision forwarding a copy of the ASDA till receipt of my purchases. However i have since come across this forum and feel that that maybe the wrong course of action.

 

I am wondering whether I should write to them admitting to finding the ticket on my windscreen or ignore the ticket claim that i did not see it and wait for them to write to me first?

 

I also see from the ticket that it states that they "WILL REQUEST THE DETAILS OF THE REGISTERED KEEPER FROM DVLA". I am the registered Keeper and the only Driver of the vehicle but they do not know that. Could i say that i did not find the ticket and cannot recall who was driving?

 

Please help!!

 

Thank you

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At this stage you should do absolutely nothing. If and when they write to you as the RK from the DVLA details you can check back here for further advise as to what to do then.

 

Generally speaking doing nothing at each and every stage of their escalating toilet paper trail seems to be the best advise.

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Hi Motty999,

If you read the rest of this and other threads you will see that attempting to appeal to common sense and decency just does not work.

The big money seems to be on ignoring them, let them waste money with DVLA applications.

If the threats start to panic you post back here for advice and support.

regards

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Hi,

 

This is my first post and I apologise for the length of this post.

I have been following these pages for some weeks now as I am in the same boat as many others.

My PCN notice seems to be steadily growing more urgent and is getting to the "closing stages".

 

If anyone can advise I would appreciate it.

 

Here are the details:

Someone (legally) borrowed my car and parked in a car park of a Public House for 2 mins, heavily signed with parking notices. They popped out for those 2 mins to go to the building next door. They came back and drove off.

 

2 weeks later the PCN arrived on the doormat claiming the parking ticket was ignored. No ticket was ever issued. They claim that I, as the RK, am liable for the £60, though this was going to be £85 for no-payment of the non-existent ticket.

 

I wrote back using the templates in this thread saying I was not the driver and I would not be paying.

 

They wrote back saying that they have "verified through audit trail of evidence" that the car contravened the terms and conditions. They state that they process the PCN under the Road Traffic Act 1991. They go on to state that the owner of the vehicle is liable and they have checked via DVLA to get my details.

 

I wrote back again saying that I am the RK but was not the driver and that I would not be paying. I also asked them to provide me with the "evidence" they had used.

 

They wrote back (with no evidence) saying that I now owe £135 and should pay to stop legal proceedings and they would register the debt with the county court. The debt would then be placed with bailiffs.

 

I wrote back (yet again) and asked for the evidence once more. I invited them to take me to court. I still dispute the claim against me and used the "cease and decist" paragraph.

 

They have written back again and his time sent 4 pages of Case Law with it that they would draw upon in court, none of which mentions anything about my situation. It also tries to bully me into naming the driver under section 143 (1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988 whereby if I state that i do not name the driver I am in neglect because the person who drove my car may not have been insured.

 

They have given me 14 days to respond.

I have not replied to them yet.

 

Any thoughts please?

 

Thanks

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they have no chance under these circumstances. but please post up photographs of ALL their letters - suitably washed of personal details. Wild guess - PPC is Combined Parking Solutions. their 'legal advice' is viewed by many as being laughable.... they way they have gone on this means you can bite back at them. buts lets see their paperwork so we can find out how many bites you can take :)

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Hi CPS,

First stop writing to these clowns.

Secondly the Road Traffic Act they quote does not cover the private car park, they are trying to legitimise the whole [problem], business.

Thirdly what business it is of theirs if the driver was not insured?

My thoughts are, that you have spent enough time, and money on this already, ignore any future threats. They have already shot themselves in the foot with the scandalous paper work.

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I would agree with CPS you have spent alot of time on this.I have just 1 observation, from your own admission the pub carpark is 'heavily signed' and the driver took a chance and got caught.Why would you be putting yourself through all this hastle, and your friend allowing you to have all this hastle.Wouldnt it have been easier to say to the parking company, I wasnt driving it was xx of xxx - take it up with them.Telling your friend that you allowed them to se your vehicle and you dont want the hastle and they deal with it ?Seems to me that this would have been easier and let them deal with the grief.

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I would advise against giving the ppc any further information, you are not obliged to supply them with the drivers details.

How hard is it to throw any letters/threats from a ppc in a draw and ignored?

regards

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Indeed. Crem is correct. Not only no obligation to inform them it is in my view extremely foolish to do so. Personally I would ignore the advice from legadviser99 most resolutely. Leave the PPC to their own problems - they have enough :) As far as CPS is concerned I leave them and their in-house legal team to wade through the 'stuff' that comprises their own 'legal advice'. I am sure i am correct in my advice to not pass on any details whatsoever to a PPC. "I just know" I am :) :)

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I wish to thank those of you who have answered my first post so quickly and honestly.

 

It's a reassurance that this is all standard rubbish and that the legal jargon they spout has no grounds.

 

I will certainly get their letters scanned in and posted - leave that with me.

 

Thanks again.

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Hi,

 

I hope to get the images up on this site either today or tomorrow.

 

In the meantime, I have just received another letter from them of their Court Summons and their intention to file the cliam if the amount is now received in the next 2 weeks. This one comes with a place, date and time.

 

Regards

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we await the images. As I recall CPS, in one of their many guises on here, have refused to take on a direct challenge to meet a pepipoo regular in court. probably looking for another victim to assuage their 'feelings'.

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Now for the 5-pager....

 

Page 1

 

PCN_4b1.jpg

 

Page 2

 

PCN_4b2.jpg

 

Page 3

 

PCN_4b3.jpg

 

Page 4

 

PCN_4b4.jpg

 

Page 5

 

PCN_4b5.jpg

 

 

I have now received a notifcation to summon me to court. This states that it will be in a court that is not anywhere near my own county, or the county where it took place.

 

It seems no matter how many times I tell them I WAS NOT DRIVING or even present, they still wish to take me (at the RK) to court.

 

That letter will be in my next post, but please feel free to comment on the previous letters....

 

Regards

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the five pager should be a hoot - those letters are just bunk. unlawful bunk at that, probably illegal also. Check out the problems that PPCs face thread (reformatted and reposted by pin1onu). and this FAQs - PPCs - fighting back. The forces are aligned. p.s. try and find a company on the data protection register with the number they give on their website Information Commissioners - Data Protection Public Register

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And now for the Court referral letter. If it comes to it, I am more than happy to meet them in Court.

 

I have asked for proof of the ticket as I never got one, I have told them I was not driving or present (only the RK), I have asked them for evidence of the offence (not supplied).

 

Thoughts anyone?

Let the analysis begin....

 

 

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Would anyone like to come and join me?

 

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