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    • Thank-you dx, What you have written is certainly helpful to my understanding. The only thing I would say, what I found to be most worrying and led me to start this discussion is, I believe the judge did not merely admonish the defendant in the case in question, but used that point to dismiss the case in the claimants favour. To me, and I don't have your experience or knowledge, that is somewhat troubling. Again, the caveat being that we don't know exactly what went on but I think we can infer the reason for the judgement. Thank-you for your feedback. EDIT: I guess that the case I refer to is only one case and it may never happen again and the strategy not to appeal is still the best strategy even in this event, but I really did find the outcome of that case, not only extremely annoying but also worrying. Let's hope other judges are not quite so narrow minded and don't get fixated on one particular issue as FTMDave alluded to.
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    • the claimant in their WS can refer to whatever previous CC judgements they like, as we do in our WS's, but CC judgements do not set a legal precedence. however, they do often refer to judgements like Bevis, those cases do created a precedence as they were court of appeal rulings. as for if the defendant, prior to the raising of a claim, dobbed themselves in as the driver in writing during any appeal to the PPC, i don't think we've seen one case whereby the claimant referred to such in their WS.. ?? but they certainly typically include said appeal letters in their exhibits. i certainly dont think it's a good idea to 'remind' them of such at the defence stage, even if the defendant did admit such in a written appeal. i would further go as far to say, that could be even more damaging to the whole case than a judge admonishing a defendant for not appealing to the PPC in the 1st place. it sort of blows the defendant out the water before the judge reads anything else. dx  
    • Hi LFI, Your knowledge in this area is greater than I could possibly hope to have and as such I appreciate your feedback. I'm not sure that I agree the reason why a barrister would say that, only to get new customers, I'm sure he must have had professional experience in this area that qualifies him to make that point. 🙂 In your point 1 you mention: 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver. I understand the point you are making but I was referring to when the keeper is also the driver and admits it later and only in this circumstance, but I understand what you are saying. I take on board the issues you raise in point 2. Is it possible that a PPC (claimant) could refer back to the case above as proof that the motorist should have appealed, like they refer back to other cases? Thanks once again for the feedback.
    • Well barristers would say that in the hope that motorists would go to them for advice -obviously paid advice.  The problem with appealing is at least twofold. 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver.  And in a lot of cases the last thing the keeper wants when they are also the driver is that the parking company knows that. It makes it so much easier for them as the majority  of Judges do not accept that the keeper and the driver are the same person for obvious reasons. Often they are not the same person especially when it is a family car where the husband, wife and children are all insured to drive the same car. On top of that  just about every person who has a valid insurance policy is able to drive another person's vehicle. So there are many possibilities and it should be up to the parking company to prove it to some extent.  Most parking company's do not accept appeals under virtually any circumstances. But insist that you carry on and appeal to their so called impartial jury who are often anything but impartial. By turning down that second appeal, many motorists pay up because they don't know enough about PoFA to argue with those decisions which brings us to the second problem. 2] the major parking companies are mostly unscrupulous, lying cheating scrotes. So when you appeal and your reasons look as if they would have merit in Court, they then go about  concocting a Witness Statement to debunk that challenge. We feel that by leaving what we think are the strongest arguments to our Member's Witness Statements, it leaves insufficient time to be thwarted with their lies etc. And when the motorists defence is good enough to win, it should win regardless of when it is first produced.   
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Roll on the time I can move everything I have with sky elsewhere. I found out when the direct debit was presented on my account that the call charges on my bill were £123.65 as opposed to the usual amount of £25.00. I was gutted to find this out. Since I have been of work ill since October money has been really tight. I couldn't believe we could go over by so much.

Today I have made 3 phone calls sent go knows how many me,ails and Sky just keep telling me that there is nothing they can do. I have to pay the whole bill. I have the money for the subscription but I am going to struggle to find the money for the calls. They tell me that there is nothing they can do. So in a week time I will have no service. I have to pay the full amount.

I really though that sky would have things in place to help their customers, but obviously not. I am going to check out the time I had the phone and broadband and move that. In August I will go for freeview. This is an appalling company.

In the last 12 months I have had numerous problems with sky. Take September they duplicated my payments and took £123.43 twice. I never received that refund - they kept it on my account until the following month. Than month my mortgage was late due to Sky. I was charged £30 from the bank and £35.00 from the mortgage company. I don't trust sky at all. I wish to god we had never added to our package in August because I am stuck with them until then.

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Are the call charges all yours/accurate or are you disputing the amount they want? £25 to £123 is quite a leap! So unless you were making a lot of phone calls outside of your call package allowances something doesn't sound right. Have you got an itemised bill to confirm everything is correct?

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I've checked the itemised phone bill and there were £57.00 worth to mobile phones, the other is made up of 0870 numbers and 01 - 02 numbers. Since posting this I have found out it was my daughters boyfriend who had been making the calls to mobiles whilst I was in hospital. They are no longer together so I am not sure what to do.

 

Yesterday I spoke to Ofcom who were surprised that sky do not have anything in place for times like these. I have pit a complaint through and await to hear from them.

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You can request to make a payment arrangement with sky but this will not get your services back on and they will cancel the skytalk and or broadband completely until the full balance as paid.

 

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Have you called them and asked to speak to the Manager? I moved from Talktalk to Sky over 2 years ago. I have found them to be helpful especially when i was made redundant last April and explained my situation they reduced my payments and were very professional about it.

 

Unfortunately as the calls were made from your phone you will still need to pay the bill regardless of who made the calls.

 

I would call and tell them you wish to speak to the Manager, explain the whole situation and offer to pay so much per month until the debt is paid off. Also when you inform them that you are going elsewhere they are more likely to come to some solution or compromise as they obviously do not like losing custom. Have you offered to pay so much per month? Did they refuse your offer?

 

It was Talktalk i had the problems with.

 

Good luck. Let me know how you get on.

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Another thing is if a person is disabled eg, they cannot disconnect their phone as it is a life line. I don't know what your illness is and if you need regular hospital visits but you could also explain that you have been very ill and you need your line to e g stay in touch with your GP, Hospital etc.

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Get your bill paid.

 

Sky is not responsible for who uses your phone/ how your phone is used.

 

You have signed up to a credit agreement hence your calls being billed in arrears.

 

If it is premium rate numbers that hiked your bill up then there are bars Sky can place on your talk package to block these numbers.

If the agent you speak to tells you otherwise ask to talk to a manager. It can be done.

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Well Baldric the Sky Bill has been paid. After the help from an unknown team that now one knows about. They come into the picture when you contact Ofcom. Yes I did contact the ombudsman. After 21 years with sky and never been put in the position for sky to offer me or anyoe in the country any help is ridiculous. I can;t not have a telephone due to health problems.

 

They arranged a payment plan which was paid at a weekly amount which finished last week. Yes it is a credit agreement, but why do you think that sky shouldn't help its cusotmers with a bill they couldn't pay? Sky do go on enough about customers so why should they be any different to anyone else? The gentleman from sky was surprised that no support was given to me, he read through sky messages and apologised for the comments. Whether that was the influence of OFCOM I don't know. They also made a discovery on my bill that the local calls were being charged for and they should have been free. Which reduced the outstanding. Mnay months ago I would have taken the same attitude as you pay the bill etc etc. But when circumstances change our life beyond recognition why shouldn't you be able to ask sky for help? It should be available to those that need it. Why is it a company secret that they are supposed to help you. Are they treating a cusotmer with fairness, are they offering the best help possible, In my mind no they weren't. But now I would say that I am very satisfied with their help. They also sorted the package out for me that is over 10 years old and is not the most economical. So they lowered my tv bill to.

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I just read yr comment and it is a shame that SKY took all this time to sort out your problem. They should have lowered your TV bill at the first point of contact and tried to offer u the best package and most economical possible. When i was made redundant they lowered my monthly bill by half the amount for 6 months when i contacted them. I have had the misfortune to have been made redundant yet again (2nd time in under 1 year) and i recently contacted them again. They have given me the best package possible due to my circumstances. There are many different options they could have offered you and its surprising they didn't do this initially. Its a shame you had to go to Ofcom to get your problem sorted out. When you tell them you are going to cancel they soon find something suitable .

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]In the last 12 months I have had numerous problems with sky. Take September they duplicated my payments and took £123.43 twice. I never received that refund - they kept it on my account until the following month. Than month my mortgage was late due to Sky. I was charged £30 from the bank and £35.00 from the mortgage company.

 

Have you presented SKY with the opportunity to refund you the bank charges?

 

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In such circumstances, it will be better to have a talk with the senior dealing officer. Two months back I also received double amounted bill for my sky TV and I was 100% sure that it is not correct. So I have a talk with their dealing officer and explained them the whole situation. They checked my record and it was the mistake from their side. They sent me the rectified bill which I paid and my problem was over.

 

In your situation if the calls were made from your phone then you have to pay the bill. As they have nothing to do with your health etc. So the best option is to co-operate with them.

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Hi david. Anything we can help you with apart from advertising your website? You replied to a 5 year old thread.

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