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    • Thank-you dx, What you have written is certainly helpful to my understanding. The only thing I would say, what I found to be most worrying and led me to start this discussion is, I believe the judge did not merely admonish the defendant in the case in question, but used that point to dismiss the case in the claimants favour. To me, and I don't have your experience or knowledge, that is somewhat troubling. Again, the caveat being that we don't know exactly what went on but I think we can infer the reason for the judgement. Thank-you for your feedback. EDIT: I guess that the case I refer to is only one case and it may never happen again and the strategy not to appeal is still the best strategy even in this event, but I really did find the outcome of that case, not only extremely annoying but also worrying. Let's hope other judges are not quite so narrow minded and don't get fixated on one particular issue as FTMDave alluded to.
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    • the claimant in their WS can refer to whatever previous CC judgements they like, as we do in our WS's, but CC judgements do not set a legal precedence. however, they do often refer to judgements like Bevis, those cases do created a precedence as they were court of appeal rulings. as for if the defendant, prior to the raising of a claim, dobbed themselves in as the driver in writing during any appeal to the PPC, i don't think we've seen one case whereby the claimant referred to such in their WS.. ?? but they certainly typically include said appeal letters in their exhibits. i certainly dont think it's a good idea to 'remind' them of such at the defence stage, even if the defendant did admit such in a written appeal. i would further go as far to say, that could be even more damaging to the whole case than a judge admonishing a defendant for not appealing to the PPC in the 1st place. it sort of blows the defendant out the water before the judge reads anything else. dx  
    • Hi LFI, Your knowledge in this area is greater than I could possibly hope to have and as such I appreciate your feedback. I'm not sure that I agree the reason why a barrister would say that, only to get new customers, I'm sure he must have had professional experience in this area that qualifies him to make that point. 🙂 In your point 1 you mention: 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver. I understand the point you are making but I was referring to when the keeper is also the driver and admits it later and only in this circumstance, but I understand what you are saying. I take on board the issues you raise in point 2. Is it possible that a PPC (claimant) could refer back to the case above as proof that the motorist should have appealed, like they refer back to other cases? Thanks once again for the feedback.
    • Well barristers would say that in the hope that motorists would go to them for advice -obviously paid advice.  The problem with appealing is at least twofold. 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver.  And in a lot of cases the last thing the keeper wants when they are also the driver is that the parking company knows that. It makes it so much easier for them as the majority  of Judges do not accept that the keeper and the driver are the same person for obvious reasons. Often they are not the same person especially when it is a family car where the husband, wife and children are all insured to drive the same car. On top of that  just about every person who has a valid insurance policy is able to drive another person's vehicle. So there are many possibilities and it should be up to the parking company to prove it to some extent.  Most parking company's do not accept appeals under virtually any circumstances. But insist that you carry on and appeal to their so called impartial jury who are often anything but impartial. By turning down that second appeal, many motorists pay up because they don't know enough about PoFA to argue with those decisions which brings us to the second problem. 2] the major parking companies are mostly unscrupulous, lying cheating scrotes. So when you appeal and your reasons look as if they would have merit in Court, they then go about  concocting a Witness Statement to debunk that challenge. We feel that by leaving what we think are the strongest arguments to our Member's Witness Statements, it leaves insufficient time to be thwarted with their lies etc. And when the motorists defence is good enough to win, it should win regardless of when it is first produced.   
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I had a car crash last week and the car is a total write-off (I am ok though :) ). The insurance assessor rang me this morning and said that due to the age of the vehicle, mileage, etc., they would settle for £500.

 

The car was a Ford Fiesta, N reg (1996 ?), mileage was 93,000.

 

He has given me time to think about it and left his 'phone number. A couple of friends have advised me not to accept the first offer.... Any ideas/advice ? I have never had to deal with anything like this before.:cool:

 

PS.... have just realised, my excess will probably have to be deducted from this amount... leaving me with only £300 !

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Just checked autotrader online and there are some N reg, similar mileage as your up for £250! However does appear to be exception rather than rule.

According to the others on sale this does look about right...although try for another £100 (I need more time to trawl through the site!), you have nothing to lose!

 

(Just had my car written off as well, and accepted settlement so know what you are going through!);)

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Also, how much have you got left of the insurance. How many years no claims discount do you have?

 

It might be better off you withdrawing the claim to keep your no claims??

Abbey - owed £3260 - Paid up.

 

Barclays owed £2500 - Paid up.

 

Halifax, Mint & Egg - next on the hit list

 

Dont click on the scales - I'm quite proud of my little red dot! - As the little red dot has gone - click away!!!!

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Hi everyone and thank you so much for your replies.... :)

 

I must admit, I was expecting something in the region of £500... although there is certainly nothing for sale in my area for that price with a similar reg. and I need to replace the car fast because I have no other way of getting to work !! (I have next week off though).

 

I will try and up the offer tomorrow anyway.... am so cheesed off at the moment.... the courtesy car is being collected tomorrow as well. Everything seems to be happening all at once. :( Sorry to hear you are going through the same thing Gertie...

 

The pre-accident condition of the car wasn't fantastic... I had tried to repair some (non-structural) rust holes, but had also only just paid for a brand new exhaust 3 weeks earlier. :mad: .... so the timing was awful !

 

I have a Protected Maximum No Claims on the insurance... so the accident will have no effect on my premiums at renewal (September)... it says so in the policy, but I also 'phoned up today to check.... so one good thing, I suppose.

 

It was a Ford Fiesta Classic Quartz with 3 former keepers... don't know if this makes any difference ?

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Sorry to disapoint you, but although you still have full no claims, your insurance will still go up as a result of a claim

 

It's a protected no claims though... and I have been assured that it won't. It also states this clearly in the Policy docs. If it wasn't protected, then I would agree with you....

 

The whole thing is still a nightmare though.... :rolleyes:

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I have protected No claims, and I was hit in the rear by another driver, who is denying any responsibilty, even though I still have full no claims, my premiums have still gone up, I proved this by putting both cenarios into the online quote systems, full bonus and no claims/accidents and full bonus and one non fault claim, nearly £200 difference !!!

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I would get a copy of the receipt for the brand new exhaust over to the assessor and demand this is taken into account...I managed to get them up by £500 on my car because I had spent that amount changing a load of sensors only 4 days before the woman hit me because we had decided to keep the car for another year...how wrong we were...

 

With regard to your courtesey car surely you get to keep it until your cheque comes through? Or a certain point after that to enable you to purchase another car? Or am I just lucky with my courtesey car?

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I am too peed' off at the moment to fight anyone over anything right now... so will take issue with the insurance premiums if/when it does go up at renewal. It states very clearfly in the Policy that it won't go up though.... :cool: .... so to me, it seems wrong to state that in the Policy (and on the 'phone) and then do something completely different upon renewal. This is also my very first accident and it was no-one's fault either. I can't worry about this now though... I will tackle it in September.

 

As for the assessor, he is waiting for me to 'phone back. I have already refused his offer and he is considering £700 (my offer). I haven't mentioned the new exhaust to him.... so I will do that when I speak to him next. Thanks Gertie.

 

I tried to keep the courtesy car until I had at least received a formal notification of write-off, but they were having none of it. :mad: I thought this may have been to pressure me into settling.... Once again, the Policy states that the car can only be kept for 3 days when the car's a write-off... but I took this to mean 3 days after the assessor had decided it was a write-off, not the people in the bodyshop of the garage.

 

To be honest, I am past caring... I am waiting for them to pick it up now... and then I'm going out with a friend... I have had enough.

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Welocme to the insurance world!!

 

right - sorry but your Insurance will go up - I'll explain....

 

If your insurance premium for the last year was, say, £1000, and you had 60% No Claims Discount, you paid only £400 for the years premium.

 

OK. This year, because you have had a fault claim, you are classed as a higher risk driver, so your premium for next year will be say £1200. Because you have protected your No Claims Discount, you will get a 60% discount still, meaning next years premium will be £480, an increase of £80. If you didn't protect your No claims Discount, the discount would have gone down to something like 20%, meaning you would have to pay £960.

 

What they should have said is your premium will go up, but not as much as if you didn't protect your NCD. However, ring back to confirm they tape all their calls - you might have a chance getting a price freeze next year5, if it is on tape the Call centre advised no increase.

 

Also with regards to the exhaust, you might get something if it was a standard new one. If it was a performance exhaust, and you did not advise the Insurance Company, it is highly unlikely.

 

good Luck

Abbey - owed £3260 - Paid up.

 

Barclays owed £2500 - Paid up.

 

Halifax, Mint & Egg - next on the hit list

 

Dont click on the scales - I'm quite proud of my little red dot! - As the little red dot has gone - click away!!!!

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I am right in thinking that the insurance policy does not clarify 3 days from when?

Ultimately the courtesey car is there for you until you are in a position to purchase another one. As I mentioned before I get to keep my courtesey car until 5 days after I receive my settlement cheque in order to give me time to purchase - check again!

 

Don't not fight - don't get mad, get even!

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This is the precise wording in the Policy.... :cool:

 

If you have maximum no claim bonus protection, the following will apply :

 

1. We will not reduce your no claim bonus if a claim or claims are made under the policy.

2. We will not increase your premium as a result of a claim or claims under the policy.

3. We will not cancel your policy as a result of the number of claims made under the policy.

 

I haven't 'phoned the assessor back... I will do it after the Bank Holiday. It's been a long week, but a friend from work has offered her car to me until I can get another one (her husband also works with us). How kind is that.... ? :) I can only get into work by car... there is no other way.

 

My faith in human nature has been restored. Last week it was in tatters when people drove past me trying to climb out of an overturned car and didn't even stop to help me !!... :(

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Well, the insurance finally settled for £600...after I refused their first offer. Not brilliant, but an extra £100 is not to be sniffed at.

 

HOWEVER.... I have been driving my friend's car this week and have now noticed a small chip in the windscreen. I am sure is wasn't there before..... anyone know how much this kind of thing costs to repair/fix ? :o

 

I'm beginning to think I'm cursed !....:mad: Either that, or I must have really pee'd someone off bigtime in a previous life !

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