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Help pls, sorry to be a nuisance but i cant seem to find the court bundle anywhere. I have also lost all my correspondence with bank, my puter went awol and i had to restore the thing so i lost everything :(

 

Any help greatly appreciated. I should have a court date in a few weeks at most according to Romford County Court ( i phoned them this morning (24th Aug). So i need to get some sort of bundle together.

 

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Hi

 

if you go to your last post and post reply you will stick to one thread. Makes it easier to follow:)

 

there is a new court bundle - (much better than mine ) I will post the link

 

Jan

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offer from A&L 24/8/07 - after case stayed

 

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Here you go:)

 

Advanced court bundle

 

much better than mine

 

Warning - make sure your printer has plenty of ink - and you allow yourself lots of time - do a section at a time if it helps - post when you need T&C

 

Jan

Please note I am not an expert - I am not offering opinions or legal help - Please use all the information provided on the site in FAQ- step by step instructions and library- thanks Jansus:)

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offer from A&L 24/8/07 - after case stayed

 

"What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

 

 

PROUD TO BE AN ORANGE

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Here you go:)

 

Advanced court bundle

 

much better than mine

 

Warning - make sure your printer has plenty of ink - and you allow yourself lots of time - do a section at a time if it helps - post when you need T&C

 

Jan

 

Thx Jan, lol i will deff make sure i have enough ink, should charge for that 2 lol.

 

Debs xxx

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Hiya's

 

In the court bundle, what is the Witness Statement? any help on where I can get T&C's from 2001 onwards, I can't seem to find mine anywhere, I usually hoard everything, typical now that I need them I cant find them grrr.

 

Any help greatly appreciated.

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did you find your directions from the court?

 

Because some ask you to send to court before and to the solicitor . Are you sure its a full hearing not a directions hearing - see if you can find the paperwork to clarify what it says?

 

You might not need full bundle if case management conference or directions hearig

 

Jan

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offer from A&L 24/8/07 - after case stayed

 

"What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

 

 

PROUD TO BE AN ORANGE

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did you find your directions from the court?

 

Because some ask you to send to court before and to the solicitor . Are you sure its a full hearing not a directions hearing - see if you can find the paperwork to clarify what it says?

 

You might not need full bundle if case management conference or directions hearig

 

Jan

 

 

Hiya's

 

This is the letter I got from Court:

 

TAKE NOTICE that the Hearing will take place on

 

14 September 2007 at 2:00 PM

 

at Romford County Court, 2a Oaklands Avenue, Romford, Essex, RM1 4DP

 

When you should attend

 

10 MINUTES has been allowed for the Hearing

 

Please Note: This case may be released to another Judge, possibly at a different Court

 

Thats all it says.

 

Take Care

Debs

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great! clear as mud! - but sounds like a directions hearing to me - a few people have had those

 

Directions Hearing? - see link to thread on here it might help.

 

So does not sound like you have to send bundle in.

 

Unfortunately A&L tend not to start negotiating at these hearings - but also ( correct me if I am wrong?) -but they do not turn up

 

If it is only 10 minutes that would also indicate that type of hearing.

 

 

Jan

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offer from A&L 24/8/07 - after case stayed

 

"What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

 

 

PROUD TO BE AN ORANGE

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I have sent you a private message on your user CP.

 

Jan

Please note I am not an expert - I am not offering opinions or legal help - Please use all the information provided on the site in FAQ- step by step instructions and library- thanks Jansus:)

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offer from A&L 24/8/07 - after case stayed

 

"What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

 

 

PROUD TO BE AN ORANGE

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Hiya's

 

OMG i have butterflies and feel sick already, in court, Friday 14th Sept, I recieved a letter from wragges on Monday 10th Sept saying that they will be attending and that they intend to apply for a stay, I have no idea what to say to the judge and when i get nervous my words come out all jumbled arghhhh lol.

 

I have my court bundle ready, i might take it with me just incase, so that it shows im prepared.

 

Take care

Debs

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hadyanth vs Lloyds TSB - Goodbye fingernails...

 

read this and a few recent threads on Lloyds - they seem to be getting more detailed advice

 

What ever happens please dont feel bad:(

 

It seems it is pot luck as to what judge you get at the moment - so just do your best as others have done -but some judges obviously feel they are doing claimants a favour by the stays so just remember dont take it personally and keep reading all thethreads and comments over the next couple of days - especially about the OFT possibly dropping the case.

 

Jan

Please note I am not an expert - I am not offering opinions or legal help - Please use all the information provided on the site in FAQ- step by step instructions and library- thanks Jansus:)

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offer from A&L 24/8/07 - after case stayed

 

"What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

 

 

PROUD TO BE AN ORANGE

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Hiya's

 

Was in court today, alot of good that was, judge granted a stay to all banks :( there was about 10 of us all in all, i was the only one there for A&L and wragges didn't even bother turning up, so now im going to apply for a removal of the stay.

 

Take care

Debs

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Really sorry to hear that - did you get a chance to speak at all?

 

Seems so unfair that A&L abuse the system dont even turn up and still get a stay.

 

Jan:(

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offer from A&L 24/8/07 - after case stayed

 

"What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

 

 

PROUD TO BE AN ORANGE

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Really sorry to hear that - did you get a chance to speak at all?

 

Seems so unfair that A&L abuse the system dont even turn up and still get a stay.

 

Jan:(

 

 

Hiya's

 

No never got to say anything, we was in n out in literally minutes, the judge was like im granting stays, thank-you and goodbye. Who do i send the removal of a stay to, the judge? or wragges? or both?

 

Take Care

Debs

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Please note I am not an expert - I am not offering opinions or legal help - Please use all the information provided on the site in FAQ- step by step instructions and library- thanks Jansus:)

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offer from A&L 24/8/07 - after case stayed

 

"What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

 

 

PROUD TO BE AN ORANGE

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