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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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:p Hi there. I've just joined the forum and have to say it's so reasuring to find i'm not alone with my situation. I've already learnt quite alot in only a few hours. If i can just tell you a little about my story perhaps someone will be able to help ( i'll try not to go around the houses ) This morning a statutory demand dropped through my door from Connought collections demanding that if i dont pay up the sum of £ xxxx.xx within 21 days i could be made bankrupt and my property and goods taken from me :( . Ok i did indeed take out an unsecured loan with CITIFINANCIAL for considerably less than what is being demanded. I fell into difficulty and consequentially fell behind with payments. I am assuming the debt was sold to 1ST CREDIT as this is who CONNOUGHT are quoting as the creditors. I have had correspondence from 1ST CREDIT but stupidly ignored their demands. My stomach completly fell through the floor this morning when i received the letter. I'm not really sure what the hell to do ! The general idea from the forum seems to be to send a letter requesting a copy of the credit aggreement. What happens after this ? I dont want to make them annoyed enough that they go ahead with banckrupcy. I have my house to think of. I'm not disputing i borrowed money and it is only fair it;s payed back. But, times have hit me hard and need to know the best way to go about getting this resolved.

 

Also i have got my credit report online and was astonished to see a default from CITIFINANCIAL for £xxxx.xx and also a default from 1ST CREDIT for £xxxx.xx and therefore my report says i have 2 default for the amount of £xxxx.xx when in actual fact it should be 1 for £xxxx.xx. I cant beleive they can do this. Surely they arnt allowed to do it. Or are they ? Can anyone help me on this or has anyone had a similar situation ??

Many many thanks to you all x

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Hi DD and welcome to CAG,

 

It seems to be connaughts latest threat sending SD's to debtors, have a read here from someone who had one yesterday, and I am moving you hread to general debt.

 

Any questions please ask, and could you possibly scan your letter here (removing any personal details) so it can be checked for authencity.

 

Best wishes

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Hi Gizmo. Thanks for that. Unfortunatly i can't scan the document. I have tried to take some pictures but arnt turning out very well. I will try to tell you as much as i can.

First - The letter was sent through normal royal mail and posted through my letter box. I did not sign for it nor was it hand delivered. On the document it's dated 1st August. On the post mark it says 3rd August and i did'nt receive it until 10th August (last Friday ).

 

Front page - Title- Statutory Demand under section 268 (1) (a) of the insolvency Act 1986. Debt for liquidated sum payable immediately. (The left hand corner has a blue triangle.

Demand - to myself (inc address ). This demand is served on you by the creditor: Name 1st Credit ( finance Limited ) ( inc address )

The creditor claims that you owe the sum of £4205.78, full particulars of which are set on page 2, and that it is payable immediatly and, to the extent of the sum demanded, is unsecured.

The creditor demands that you pay the above debt or secure or compound for it to the creditors satisfaction. Ref No and phone No inc.

 

Page 2 - A The debt was incured by monies due under financial agreement. The debtor is in breach of the repayment terms and has failed to adhere to the terms and conditions of the repayment arrangements.

B - The debt is in respect ofoutstanding monies owed to the creditor by the debtor for non-payment of a citifinancial agreement. The benefit of the debt having been assigned under an agreement to 1st credit ltd 9/5/2007.

 

Page 3 - Tells me about presenting my own bankruptcy petition and tells me the appropriate court is ( YOUR LOCAL COUNTY COURT, OR COMBINED COURT ) and that an application to set aside the demand should be made to that court. It suggests that if i want to know which court this is then i should contact them for this info.

It then goes on to say who i should speak to with phone No and Address and ref No.

Original creditor Citifinancial. Assignees 1st Credit LTD.

Page 4 tells me what i should do to avoid bankruptcy.

 

 

Sorry to go around the houses but i think thats everything.

Do you think i should just make an offer to pay monthly. The last thing i want is for this to backfire on me. Getting pretty desperate now. Time running out. Many many thanks to anyone who can help. x

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Good day, I have a few questions.

 

1) Are you in mortgaged or rented accomodation?

 

2) How was the Statutory Demand served on you? Was it delivered by hand or via the royal mail? If it was posted, was it sent 2nd class?

 

3) Do you dispute the debt? Have you sent a CCA request yet? (If you haven't, do it now!)

 

4) Have 1st Credit or Connaught Collections attempted any collection acticity or visits prior to issuing the demand?

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Good day, I have a few questions.

 

1) Are you in mortgaged or rented accomodation?

 

2) How was the Statutory Demand served on you? Was it delivered by hand or via the royal mail? If it was posted, was it sent 2nd class?

 

3) Do you dispute the debt? Have you sent a CCA request yet? (If you haven't, do it now!)

 

4) Have 1st Credit or Connaught Collections attempted any collection acticity or visits prior to issuing the demand?

 

Hi Sequenci. Yes i do have a mortgage. The demand was deleivered by royal mail 2nd class. I dont dispute the debt but was originally from citifinancial. I have had letters from 1st credit and 1 from connought. There hasnt been any visits that i am aware of. Thanks for the help.

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National debtline. No havnt sent it. I'm too scared that they would just pursue this anyway thats why thinking of making monthly offer. Can they still persue bankruptcy notice if i send off CCA or does that give me some time. I'm not saying i;m not go to pay this coz at the end of the day i did have the loan i just want to do everything possible to avoid loosing my house. thanks.

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Dobbydog

 

As far as the default goes - you are quite right that the default can only be registered once, but it often happens that two appear in such circumstances. There is of course no excuse but creditors often don't bother doing things properly. I'd suggest you query the duplicate entry via the credit reference agency - they should be able to get one of them taken off.

 

As far as the comments about credit agreements go, if you have admitted to Connaught or 1st Credit that you owe some money that route is of limited value, but still worthing trying.

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Dobbydog

 

As far as the default goes - you are quite right that the default can only be registered once, but it often happens that two appear in such circumstances. There is of course no excuse but creditors often don't bother doing things properly. I'd suggest you query the duplicate entry via the credit reference agency - they should be able to get one of them taken off.

 

As far as the comments about credit agreements go, if you have admitted to Connaught or 1st Credit that you owe some money that route is of limited value, but still worthing trying.

Hi Paul. Thanks. I havnt yet admitted anything to anybody. Although i have had letters from them i havnt corresponded to any of them.

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Hi

 

I'm not an expert on bankruptcy or statutory demands, but I'm sure I read somewhere that any loan regulated under the CCA74 can only be enforced through the county court system.

 

They must at least get a CCJ to 'prove' the debt.

 

I may be wrong and I'm afraid I can't recall where I read this.

 

Regards

 

 

 

Lantana

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Hi, I have a thread with Connaught and 1st Credit, they were the cowboys that got me introduced to this forum. So I should be thankful to Connaught for something.

Any way check out my thread, (sorry don't know how to post it)

I sent Connaught Collections a CCA request recorded delivery and they ran a mile, sent back my postal order as they were legible to collect the debt, and past it back to 1st Credit. I have heard nothing from 1st Credit yet, So you need to send them a cca request, They 12+2 working days to respond, with your agreement, chances are they will not have it anyway

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Hi

 

I'm not an expert on bankruptcy or statutory demands, but I'm sure I read somewhere that any loan regulated under the CCA74 can only be enforced through the county court system.

 

 

that's true, they cannot be transfered to the high court for enforcement of money judgments. bankruptcy is a county court process and bankruptcy proceedings would be possible. get that CCA off pronto.

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Hi, I have a thread with Connaught and 1st Credit, they were the cowboys that got me introduced to this forum. So I should be thankful to Connaught for something.

Any way check out my thread, (sorry don't know how to post it)

I sent Connaught Collections a CCA request recorded delivery and they ran a mile, sent back my postal order as they were legible to collect the debt, and past it back to 1st Credit. I have heard nothing from 1st Credit yet, So you need to send them a cca request, They 12+2 working days to respond, with your agreement, chances are they will not have it anyway

Thankyou very much i'm def going to get the CCA off first thing. Can i ask did you also have a stat demand off them. God i hope this doe'nt back fire on me. x

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Dobbydog, there are a ton of threads here concerning this company's overuse of stat demands.

So far, they have run a mile when a CCA request is sent to them to prove that they have the legal right to collect on a debt.

 

So please, get the CCA in the post FIRST thing tomorrow.

Be VERY careful whose advice you listen too

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For me personally, I didn't pay connaught collections anything as the first communication I had from them was a stat demand, I panicked my hubby found this forum I read & read & read, sent out the cca request and my postal order returned within a week and my account with them closed and passed back to 1st credit. who I have not heard from either, and as soon as I hear from 1st credit I will send them a cca rquest and start the whole procedure again. At first it is really scary then you just get mad, about the way these companies think they can bully and be nasty and intimidate people to pay more than they can, and BLOW you find out they dont even own your debt, and shouldn't be chasing you for the money anyway, well that gets my goat. I didn't sign my cca request I put my name in block capitals, so they did not have my signature, and believe it or not they will mess about with paperwork etc, becuase I have had that done as well, bt they have to got to be cleverer than that, if I get scared I just type it all in here, and the replies are brilliant and reasurring (thanks cb), it won't back fire if anything it has now given you 12+2 days at least, but I bet you will be suprised. Good luck will follow your thread

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Dobbydog, there are a ton of threads here concerning this company's overuse of stat demands.

So far, they have run a mile when a CCA request is sent to them to prove that they have the legal right to collect on a debt.

 

So please, get the CCA in the post FIRST thing tomorrow.

Thankyou CB. I'll do that. Fingers crossed. x

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For me personally, I didn't pay connaught collections anything as the first communication I had from them was a stat demand, I panicked my hubby found this forum I read & read & read, sent out the cca request and my postal order returned within a week and my account with them closed and passed back to 1st credit. who I have not heard from either, and as soon as I hear from 1st credit I will send them a cca rquest and start the whole procedure again. At first it is really scary then you just get mad, about the way these companies think they can bully and be nasty and intimidate people to pay more than they can, and BLOW you find out they dont even own your debt, and shouldn't be chasing you for the money anyway, well that gets my goat. I didn't sign my cca request I put my name in block capitals, so they did not have my signature, and believe it or not they will mess about with paperwork etc, becuase I have had that done as well, bt they have to got to be cleverer than that, if I get scared I just type it all in here, and the replies are brilliant and reasurring (thanks cb), it won't back fire if anything it has now given you 12+2 days at least, but I bet you will be suprised. Good luck will follow your thread

Thankyou so much. I'ts so reassuring to find other people in my situation (not that i'd wish this on anybody !) I'm gunna get that cca sent first thing. fingers crossed x am also gunna watch your thread for news and good luck to you too !

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For me personally, I didn't pay connaught collections anything as the first communication I had from them was a stat demand, I panicked my hubby found this forum I read & read & read, sent out the cca request and my postal order returned within a week and my account with them closed and passed back to 1st credit. who I have not heard from either, and as soon as I hear from 1st credit I will send them a cca rquest and start the whole procedure again. At first it is really scary then you just get mad, about the way these companies think they can bully and be nasty and intimidate people to pay more than they can, and BLOW you find out they dont even own your debt, and shouldn't be chasing you for the money anyway, well that gets my goat. I didn't sign my cca request I put my name in block capitals, so they did not have my signature, and believe it or not they will mess about with paperwork etc, becuase I have had that done as well, bt they have to got to be cleverer than that, if I get scared I just type it all in here, and the replies are brilliant and reasurring (thanks cb), it won't back fire if anything it has now given you 12+2 days at least, but I bet you will be suprised. Good luck will follow your thread

Thankyou so much. Its so reassuring to find so many people in my position (not that i'd wish this on anyone ) I will get the cca sent first thing. Fingers crossed. I'll be watching your thread closely with interest. x

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My theory now is 1st credit probably wont have a cca, if they had got one, why didn't they act on it, instead of selling it on. Two months ago I wouldn't have even thought like that, I have got myself into a horrible mess, was receiving loads a letters each week, hid them from the other half, had sleepless nights over this, and now (I am not proud of my situation) but I work too hard to pay some cowboy who has got my details illegally and should not be chasing for payment. Now I get dissapointed when I don't get any post

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