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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
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Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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I was away when this court case was decided. Before the date, Amex sold the debt on

 

Do you have any evidence of this ? e.g. letter, notice of assignment..

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I need to respond to the Notice of Issue of Warrant of Execution (received 22 September) very quickly (before 26th September), I was wondering what I should send to the court before the latter date. I really don't want the bailiffs on my doorstep on Monday!

 

I pressed the red triangle requesting the site team to look in. Hopefully some more experienced members will be able to advise.

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The judge did make them pay back my charges and agreed that a claim for PPI could be re-instated as a separate claim.

 

Did you attend Court ? Did you submit a defence ? I'm just trying to put pieces in the jigsaw...

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I believe you would need to make an application to the Court to set aside the judgment. But you've got to have good reason, and to be able to show it. This is why I'm asking questions.

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An example N244 application form is on the link below as well as the PDF for filling out. However, your reasons would obviously need to be different.

 

Removal of CCJ's - Sample Form N244 - Notice of Application

 

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http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/legal-issues/211496-judgement-notice.html#post2319626

 

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I think shakespeare is right - you need to apply for a set aside asap (tomorrow). You will need to make an application on a N244 - the order you will be asking for is an order to set aside the judgement and the reason is that Amex had no right to make the claim because they had sold the debt to Bracers - attach the Notice of Assignement as proof.

 

 

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There's a good fall back position you have - u can apply to the Court (free of charge to redetermine monthly installments to a rate you can afford - see link below

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/legal-issues/126912-court-summons-brachers-solictors-7.html#post1923515

 

I would be inclined to submit the above redetermination letter as well as your set aside application - that way you've got both angles covered. I'd mark it urgent, and get a receipt from the Court Office for it.

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When you've filed the above at the Court office (the Court may take several days to place the docs before a District Judge,

 

Check out the following links on Bailiffs.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bailiffs-sheriff-officers/107376-what-bailiffs-can-cant.html#post2355192

 

You'll get good advice on dealing with Bailiffs on the forum below :-

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bailiffs-sheriff-officers/

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There is a good wiki on warrant of execution here -

Warrant of execution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Here's a snippet from the link above :

Residential Property

 

If the property is occupied then the bailiff may only enter with the permission of someone inside.

If nobody is present, the bailiff can enter if through an open window, unlocked door, or other unsecured entrance.

If the bailiff has previously been admitted and is returning to collect payment or goods to be sold, then they have a right of entry to residential property even if the occupants refuse to let them in.

 

Basically they can't come in unless you let them in. They cannot take any property which does not belong to you.

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Stay positive, there may be other aspects wrong with the Amex claim, including defective default notices etc. If there's anything you are not sure about the N244 Application, ask on here, or phone the Court.

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Thank you everyone for your comments and support. I have detailed a timeline below and will fill out the N244 today. (Note - After 2 changes of solicitors, Brachers are now Amex solicitors even though I was not informed of this for some time, see below)

 

24 November - letter from Brachers - "you owe our Client £3869.81"

 

2 December - letter from Brachers - will issue legal proceedings even though I had been paying cheques to previous solicitors MdR and to Brachers

 

7 January 2009 - Judgment for Claimant (in default) - £3931.73 + £187

 

13 January 2009 - My acknowledgment of service and defence returned because of judgment being entered even though I had no idea a date had been set and I sent through the forms on 4 January so that was ample time.

 

24 February 2009 - received Notice of change of Solicitor from Brachers - they had been sending letters etc for months before this arrived

 

3 March 2009 - the two old claims I had for charges etc were "transferred to the Brighton County Court" - no idea why, they had been settled and the detail inside said "Upon reading the letter from the defendant's solicitors" and quoting the "new" claim for consolidation with case number XXXX which is to be the lead matter.

 

8 April 2009 - B132 Notice to a registered proprietor of an application to enter an agreed notice - Brachers on behalf of Amex for "equitable charge created by an interim charging order of the Brighton County Court dated

 

31 March 2009 in favour of American Express" - I received no notification of any court date

 

4 June 2009 - letter from Amex saying "American Express assigned your account to CapQuest on 29 May 2009 etc" and "CapQuest will start reporting against your credit file within 30 days of you receiving this letter"

 

4 June 2009 - letter from CapQuest (amount £3869.81) - "As agents for the purchasers of your debt we have been authorised to use the legal process to its full extent" etc

 

15 June 2009 - Final charging order - again no idea that this was taking place, no notification of court date. "heard neither party and the court orders that - 1. The charge created by order made on 31 March 2009 shall continue. 2. The interest of the defendant in the aset described below stand charged with payment of the sum the amount owing ...... of £6618.73 under judgment on 7 January 2009 plus £208.00..... 3. Costs to be added to the judgment debt"

 

25 June 2009 - Brachers - "please find enclosed copy of Final Charging Order which our client has obtained against your interest in the above property"

 

30 June 2009 - Brachers - "to enable our client to give matters further consideration, please complete and return the enclosed Financial Personal statement...."

 

2 July 2009 - CapQuest - "As you will now be aware your account is being processed for legal action" - amount £3869.81

 

23 July 2009 - Brachers - "our client is willing to accept £5603.87 in full and final settlement..."

 

27 July 2009 - CapQuest - "... we will seek an order of the court directing you to pay any monies owed" - amount £3908.51

 

22 September 2009 - Notice of Issue of Warrant of Execution - Claimant - American Express - "Unless you pay the amount due (£6928.90 before 26 September 2009 the bailiff will call...."

 

So there you go, that is everything and I really don't understand the figures at all. How can Amex have sold this debt on and also applied for final charging order and now issuing a warrant? And how can CapQuest also be harrassing me to pay the original amount as well?

 

Can you let me know what I need to put on the N244 please?

 

Very MadKit

 

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I assume you know what to put in the box at the top right and sections 1 and 2.

 

In section 3 put something like:

 

"I respectfully request the court to make an order setting aside the court's judgement in the case between claimant and defendant (case number xxxxxxx) since the claimant had no right of action in the case at the date of the trial."

 

Section 4 - No

 

Section 5 - without a hearing

 

Section 6 - 1 hour / No

 

Section 7 - N/A

 

Section 8 - name of judge in orginal hearing

 

Section 9 - Defendant

 

Section 10 - The evidence set out in the box below

 

Put something in the box along the lines of:

 

"1. The claimant filed the claim in the case between claimant and defendant (case number xxxxxxx) on date and the case was heard on date before title and name of judge, who found for the claimant.

 

2. However, the agreement on which the case was based had been assigned to Capquest Ltd on date (see Notice of Assignment, attached as exhibit 1)

 

3. Thus, at the tial date, the claimant had ceased to have right of action since the claimant no longer owned the alleged debt.

 

4. I respectfully request the court to make an order setting aside the court's judgement in this case."

 

Section 11 - obvious

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Using your wording, this is what I have put:

 

1. The claimant filed the claim in the case between claimant and defendant (case number XXX) and the case was heard on 15 June 2009 before Deputy District Judge XXX, who found for the Claimant.

2. However, the agreement on which the case was based had been assigned to Capquest Ltd on 28 May 2009 (see Notice of Assignments, attached as exhibit 1 and 2)

3. Thus, at the trial date, the claimant had ceased to have right of action since the claimant no longer owned the alleged debt.

4. I have attached the Notice of Issue of Warrant of Execution as issued on 22 September 2009 (attached as exhibit 3)

5. I respectfully request the court to make an order setting aside the court's judgement in this case.

 

Is this correct? Should I mention that this is a Final Charging Order that they are trying to have paid out? I thought that if these were granted, no more action could be taken. Also, this was issued by Bedford County Court but original court is Brighton, which court should go in box for Court name?

 

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Yes, put that in too although I think that and what you hav eput under 4. should perhaps be put at the end, after "I respectfully reuqest..."

 

Leave a space and put "the court's attention is drawn to the Notice of Issue of Warrent..... and to the Final Charging Order issued on ...." or something like that

 

 

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How is this then?

 

1. The claimant filed the claim in the case between claimant and defendant (case number xxxx) and the case was heard on 15 June 2009 before Deputy District Judge xxxx, who found for the Claimant (see attached as exhibit 1).

 

2. However, the agreement on which the case was based had been assigned to Capquest Ltd on 28 May 2009 (see Notice of Assignments, attached as exhibit 2 and 3)

 

3. Thus, at the trial date, the claimant had ceased to have right of action since the claimant no longer owned the alleged debt.

 

4. I respectfully draw the attention of the court to the attached Notice of Issue of Warrant of Execution as issued on 22 September 2009 (attached as exhibit 4).

 

5. I respectfully request the court to make an order setting aside the court's judgement in this case.

 

Also, this was issued by Bedford County Court but original court is Brighton, which court should go in box for Court name?

 

MadKit

 

;) I'm nearly there!

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Thanks for your message, it is a nightmare especially when it's a Charging Order against my house which they should not have been allowed to do as far as I know as credit card debt is hardly a "secured" loan!

 

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They are very naughty to have gone for that. As you say, it was not a secured loan. The first lot they set on me (before I found CAG) was AIC and they were threatening exactly that. I think Amex probably tell all their DCAs and solicitors to go for that.

 

I'm still going backwards and forwards with it all.

 

It's a very scary few days for you. The Courts can be very slow even when things are as urgent as this. Do keep all the doors and windows shut and I'd even check for lurkers when you are going in and out of your house. You don't want one stepping in behind you. :eek:

 

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I think this is the best layout:

 

1. The claimant filed the claim in the case between claimant and defendant (case number xxxx) and the case was heard on 15 June 2009 at Brighthon County Court before Deputy District Judge xxxx, who found for the Claimant (see attached as exhibit 1).

 

2. However, the agreement on which the case was based had been assigned to Capquest Ltd on 28 May 2009 (see Notice of Assignments, attached as exhibit 2 and 3)

 

3. Thus, at the trial date, the claimant had ceased to have right of action since the claimant no longer owned the alleged debt.

 

4. I respectfully request the court to make an order setting aside the court's judgement in this case on this basis.

 

5. I respectfully draw the attention of the court to the attached Notice of Issue of Warrant of Execution as issued on 22 September 2009 at Bedford County Court (attached as exhibit 4).

If you are going to try to get it in today, the court closes at 4:30

 

 

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Steven

 

I will have to get someone to take it in tomorrow for me. Any idea how much the fee would be? Also, sorry to ask again but I assume it should be Brighton in the court name? Or is it the issuing (notice) court i.e. Bedford?

 

Thanks again for messages, I really appreciate the support and help here!

 

MadKit

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