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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Wise words indeed from you Barty, as I have received in the post yesterday a court date of 22nd August.

 

Just finalising the bundle now and will deliver the courts copy by hand at lunchtime and the bank's copy will go in the post.

 

Am I right in assuming that this thread GOT A COURT DATE? Important, please read...... is the latest regarding bundle contents?

 

Thanks again for helping me to 'keep the faith'.

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OK - today is 14 days before my court hearing. This is the day by which both myself as claimant and LTSB as defendant were asked to provide documents to the court that we would rely on in court.

 

I put my documents in over a week ago. Did I read somewhere that the defence could be struck out if the Donkey doesn't provide documents? :rolleyes: If so, is it simply a question of phoning the court and asking them to do this or is there a template somewhere that would help?

 

Grateful for any help that anyone can provide.

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Thanks once again Barty.

 

Checked with the court, who have confirmed receipt of my documents but that nothing has been received from the Donkey.

 

They are advising me that despite some cases now being stayed, the Judge in my local court is proceeding with all hearings that had been given a court date, so I guess that all I now need to do is turn up on 22nd and see what happens. In the meantime, I will send the letter from the link that you have posted above. Should I include that in the documents that I take to court, although it wasn't (obviously) in the bundle that I submitted and if so should I cc it to the court?

 

Finally, does anyone fancy attending a court hearing on August 22nd with me!

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Thanks once again Barty.

 

Checked with the court, who have confirmed receipt of my documents but that nothing has been received from the Donkey.

 

They are advising me that despite some cases now being stayed, the Judge in my local court is proceeding with all hearings that had been given a court date, so I guess that all I now need to do is turn up on 22nd and see what happens. In the meantime, I will send the letter from the link that you have posted above. Should I include that in the documents that I take to court, although it wasn't (obviously) in the bundle that I submitted and if so should I cc it to the court?

 

Finally, does anyone fancy attending a court hearing on August 22nd with me!

 

I would, but mine is the 22nd too! Not at your court though, I wouldn't think.

Please note that I am not a legal expert and all advice given is without prejudice and is purely my opinion only.

 

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Last throw of the dice today!

 

Am delivering to the Court at lunchtime the second 'non-compliance' letter referred to in the 8th August post above from Barty, to try and get the defence struck out.

 

It seems unlikely that this will happen so I'm bracing myself for a court appearance next Wednesday now. :mad:

 

Does any have, or has seen, any 'stay objections'. I've seen them mentioned in posts but can't find them.

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Countdown to court! 5 days and counting!!

 

I've done everything asked of me by the courts. Replied to all their letters, submitted bundle, requested that LTSB provide me with their defence (not received) and copied the request to the court (as advised in post 53 above), subsequently advised the court that LTSB still haven't sent their defence i.e. complied with the court's direction etc (also as advised in post 53 above).

 

Is it worth my while ringing the court to ask if they have or are planning to strike out the Donkey's defence as they haven't complied with any of the court's orders or will that antagonise the judge? I feel sure now that the bank will turn up next Wednesday and ask for a stay, and although I have my stay objections all ready, it doesn't seem right that they can simply turn up having not complied at all at any stage with the instructions of the court and possibly get the case delayed indefinitely?

 

Any further advice that anyone can give on this would be welcomed.

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You might want to have look at this post where Barclays turned up on the day and requested a stay:

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/barclays-bank/110863-sarahapples-barclays-16-8-a-2.html?highlight=sarahapples#post1082140

 

It was refused on the grounds that they had not submitted a formal application.

 

HTH

 

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Just come back from the Court.

 

8 people were there claiming against 4 different banks (LTSB, Barclays, HSBC, A&L). Three of the banks sent representation. The fourth (A&L) didn't but had sent a letter requesting a stay.

 

The LTSB bloke came up to me and said that he would be requesting a stay. I told him that I would be objecting to it. He tried to suggest that would extend proceedings but I told him that was OK with me.

 

Then we were advised that we would all be going in to the court together, which I knew was going to mean bad news. Once in there, the judge rambled on about the OFT case for a while and then said that in view of that case he would be staying all cases if the banks had requested one (which they had) and if no one objected.

 

I stated that I objected to a stay, followed by others, but he wouldn't budge or let me state reasons for my objection, and after a bit more rambling ordered a stay for all the cases.

 

My questions are:

1) Whay make us all turn up at court if this was what was going to happen anyway;

2) Why did we all have to go in together;

3) Why wasn't I allowed to formally state my objections to a stay.

 

This has all appeared to be a large waste of my time now. I followed the directions of the court to the letter, when the Donkey did nothing that it was asked. Apart from all the time and resource taken in my preparations before today, I've had to take two hours away from work, and all to no avail.

 

Understandably I'm disillusioned with the whole thing. WHoever said "the law is an ass" was spot on.

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I'm interested to have received a couple of recent communications from the Donkey and First Direct.

 

Both are claiming to be "shaking up" the current account market by offering new deals. FD is offering no interest on a current account market but an automatic sweep into a higher interest account, plus interest-free overdrafts up to £250 etc. LTSB are restructuring their charging regime to - allegedly - mean that we as their loyal customers will pay less in charges in future.

 

Is this all an effort to show that they're not as bad as all that when the court case arrives? Will the court fall for this tactic, resulting in the court case coming down in favour of the banks and none of us with outstanding cases receiving a penny back? Or does it indicate that they realise that they were in the wrong all along, in which case shouldn't we be pursuing this underhand tactic to highlight what they are trying to do to all concerned?

 

This delay until the court case in January seems only to have benefitted the banks in allowing them time to get their houses in order.

 

Any comments from anyone?

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Then we were advised that we would all be going in to the court together, which I knew was going to mean bad news. Once in there, the judge rambled on about the OFT case for a while and then said that in view of that case he would be staying all cases if the banks had requested one (which they had) and if no one objected.

 

I stated that I objected to a stay, followed by others, but he wouldn't budge or let me state reasons for my objection, and after a bit more rambling ordered a stay for all the cases.

Sorry to hear that. Its the way most cases are going, unfortunately. Which judge was it please?

LTSB are restructuring their charging regime to - allegedly - mean that we as their loyal customers will pay less in charges in future.

 

Any comments from anyone?

IMO the restructuring is basically an attempt to a) influance public opinion - they are going out of their way to tell you how nice they are and how much they want to help you avoid being charged, blah, de blah, de blah, but more importantly, b), the intention is to present the charges as 'core term' - I.e the price for a genuine service which is part of the core bargain of the contract, which if successful would mean that the charges fall outside of the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations. This is why they've got rid of the higher overdraft rate and any references to 'unauthorised' overdrawing or any hint of the charges being punitive or as a result of a breach. You are now completely free to go over the OD "zone" if you wish, but they will sting you for providing the "service" if you do!!!!:-x

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Hi Gary H,

 

It was District Judge Carron, who up to that point I had the impression was more on our side than the banks' but now I'm not so sure.

 

Totally agree with you regarding the real reasons for the banks recent behaviour. My concern would be that, come the OFT case in January, the courts will see this as the banks being reasonable and completely forget about what's gone before. :-x I'm less certain than ever that I'll get anything out of this now, but will wait and see.

 

Are there any plans for CAG or Martin Lewis to elevate this into the public awareness to ensure that this attempt by the banks is highlighted for the sham that it is?

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Hi All,

 

been a while since I posted last but was so brassed off with the whole thing that I decided to lay low until the OFT court case started.

 

Anyone got an update on things? I haven't heard anything since the hearing started.

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Fantastic news from the Courts this morning!

 

My stomach's been churning since I woke up.

 

Regardless of the fact that this doesn't necessarily mean anyone will get a payout any time soon, it surely marks the beginning of the end for the banks' main argument.

 

Best news I've heard since my case was stayed last August.

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