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    • I have looked at the car park and it is quite clearly marked that it is  pay to park  and advising that there are cameras installed so kind of difficult to dispute that. On the other hand it doesn't appear to state at the entrance what the charge is for breaching their rules. However they do have a load of writing in the two notices under the entrance sign which it would help if you could photograph legible copies of them. Also legible photos of the signs inside the car park as well as legible photos of the payment signs. I say legible because the wording of their signs is very important as to whether they have formed a contract with motorists. For example the entrance sign itself doe not offer a contract because it states the T&Cs are inside the car park. But the the two signs below may change that situation which is why we would like to see them. I have looked at their Notice to Keeper which is pretty close to what it should say apart from one item. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9 [2]a] the PCN should specify the period of parking. It doesn't. It does show the ANPR times but that includes driving from the entrance to the parking spot and then from the parking place to the exit. I know that this is a small car park but the Act is quite clear that the parking period must be specified. That failure means that the keeper is no longer responsible for the charge, only the driver is now liable to pay. Should this ever go to Court , Judges do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person so ECP will have their work cut out deciding who was driving. As long as they do not know, it will be difficult for them to win in Court which is one reason why we advise not to appeal since the appeal can lead to them finding out at times that the driver  and the keeper were the same person. You will get loads of threats from ECP and their sixth rate debt collectors and solicitors. They will also keep quoting ever higher amounts owed. Do not worry, the maximum. they can charge is the amount on the sign. Anything over that is unlawful. You can safely ignore the drivel from the Drips but come back to us should you receive a Letter of Claim. That will be the Snotty letter time.
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well done, top news, i hope everyone at the beginning of their journey can see this light at the end of the tunnel - you WILL get back what is rightly yours guys, have faith and stick to your timetable. come on!!!

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Yup - well done. :)

 

I could be wrong, but I believe that this may be the first Barclays claim settled after litigation has been commenced!!! :o

 

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WTG Ice,

 

I'm just awaiting a change in my bank balance now, when I see it, I'll move it :)

 

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Well done, been following the case from the begining, you have great determination and have stood up for your rights.

 

thanks angelstar and everyone who has posted to congratulate, it took a long time, but I was determined to get the full amount I think!

 

EDIT There were lots of times when I felt like giving up though... glad I didn't

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Hi Rebel, I did not try that approach, sounds good too. As I posted a letter to them Monday, I will wait to hear from them, I will give Keith Jeramiah a call Wed (day off from work), if I have not heard anything by then.

 

I don't know if I will end up in court, since not many people have, I still think its unlikely, but will wait and see...

 

 

Icefall, nice result ;) . I wonder if you would mind enlightening everyone as to what was contained in your final letter/telephone conversation to Keith Jeremiah? Whatever it was, I sure would like to know, it obviously had the desired effect.

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Brilliant news...

 

I didn't get a hearing date in the end, but I too got a letter offering full settlement but with a confidentiality clause - which I have crossed out and signed the agreement, so just waiting for my cash before I notify the court that the claim is closed. Yippee for us!

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Really, really well done :D

 

I'm just about to send my AQ and this has certainly made me feel better :)

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Well done you!

 

I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg (ouch!)

 

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Icefall, nice result ;) . I wonder if you would mind enlightening everyone as to what was contained in your final letter/telephone conversation to Keith Jeremiah? Whatever it was, I sure would like to know, it obviously had the desired effect.

 

Content of letter is in post 89 above, I telephoned him that day, but he was in meetings all day, left a message asking if he had received my letter, he phoned me at 7pm, said he had received my letter and had posted a reply to me 2 days before, and would wait to hear my reply, I said thanks and hung up. V short conversation! I was so surprised to hear from him after 5pm I was not prepared so just said the above, and did not go into anything.

 

Letter arrived the next day! So as it was already posted when he called me back, the contents of telephone conversation was not responsible, I think it was the fact that my hearing date is on 26 July, and they make an offer just before the hearing date as although they drag it out as long as poss they do not actually want it to go to court, very few people have actually been to court as far as I know.

 

Don't know if anyone has any numbers as to how many people have actually got as far as court? Would be interesting to see, I would think its on this site somewhere, but I don't know where.

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Nice one icefall, gives me the inspiration to go all the way. Tell me something, have they closed your account or can you continue to bank with them.

 

Once again well done mate....

 

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they have not closed my account, but as far as I can tell from reading around this forum, it can take a few months after receiving the charges back for them to close the account, and sometimes they don't close it all. If they do I will update.

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Well done Icefall - I love it when a plan comes together!

 

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