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It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018. 7. Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicitor's is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’ 8. On (insert date) I successfully made application to set a side the judgment. The claim proceeded to allocation, 9. The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date. (insert date you did receive the documents) I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’. Remove irrelevant 10.The claimant relies upon and has exhibited a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement. It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024   Run 3 copies Court /Claimants Sol/File
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It is advisable at this stage to copy everything to the court. I didn't know Tom was on GMTV this morning - have you looked on the web?

 

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Hi Steven, I just caught the end of the interview when they were thanking him for appearing on GMTV, how frustrating was that:mad: Went straight on GMTV website, I couldn't find anything about the interview, I hope they put it on soon, I'm bursting! Thanks again for advice. Potty

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I looked on the GMTV website too. Couldn't find that but found an interview about the Birmingham case. Talk about getting your facts wrong!!!! Turned it off in disgust.

 

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Good morning all, I just received a letter from Courts, I have got a prelim hearing on 6 July, they have only allowed 5 mins. This will be brief, good morning and good bye. Letter reads:

 

Please Note: This case may be released to another Judge, possibly at a different Court.

Cases are listed in accordance with local hearing arrangements determined by the judiciary and carried out by Court staff.

In some instances a case may be released to another Judge possibly at a different Court. If your case is to be heard at a different Court you will be notified accordingly. Therefore please ensure that the court has a telephone number on which you may be contacted during Court office hours.

 

This is just my luck, I was the only person not complaining about the delays, well here we are! Does this mean that the Judge has ruled out the Draft Order for Directions? Help, I'm not even a lay rep yet, just got the leaflet. Priorities, I did buy lots of wine, I think I'm going to need it. Potty.

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No need to worry. They are just inundated with claims and are informing you of their option to move you case if they so desire. Don't be surprised if they don't use the draft directions and use their own. The courts are a law to themselves :) . You will here in due course their next move. You are getting nearer and nearer to pay day. So relax and have a little read up to be prepared. Good luck.http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/guidance-notes/64911-got-court-date-guide.html#post553523

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I am not sure, but i doubt it. When you go to court inform the court clerk of your intentions straight away. Or even better give the court a ring and ask them the procedure for a lay rep Good luck.

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Good morning all, I have been very busy gathering all the info preparing for the prelim hearing on 6 July. I wrote to Cobbetts and Nasty West on 5th June requesting the T & Cs for both the Advantage Gold and Current Account Plus giving them 14 days to reply. Its now been 17 days and no reply. Can I apply to the courts to have the case struck out as they have not replied within a reasonable time limit? I also sent the court a copy of both letters so they are aware of my request. Can anyone help with the legal jargon I should use when writing to the court to have the case struck out if that is possible? Thanks Potty.

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Michael thanks for reply but what a shame. When Cobbetts wrote to me they gave me 14 days to reply or they would apply to have the case struck out, so I thought it should be the same if they do not reply to my letter. My request was for the T & C's, can you advise what I should do now? Thanks Potty.

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Write to Cobbetts, telling them that you made the request under CPR PRe-ACtion Protocol 4.6©, copied to the court. You will probably find they reply by retuen of post

 

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Thanks Michael for the reply. When Cobbetts wrote to me they gave me 14 days to reply or they would apply to court to have the case struck out, not fair I can't do the same. What can I do now as my request was for T & Cs? Thanks Potty.

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The trouble with that thread Michael is that there are ohnly three lots of T&Cs on it - 2001 buisiness, 2002 and 2006 personal.

 

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Thanks Michael, I have printed these but I thought they had been updated and the contents had changed since 2000. I do not have the originals as the account was closed in 2005 and all paperwork burned.

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Good Morning Caggers, I have turned into a serial Postman Stalker hoping and waiting for my big fat cheque. Great news to see all the settled cases, can't wait to join the list but sadly for me the battle continues. I have got the Prelim hearing on Friday and would be grateful of some advice. Firstly my son has to take the day off work and we all know that Cobblers won't turn up, can I mention to the judge about abuse of the court process? Also what can I do about claiming wasted costs, I know I can't claim this until after the case but can I threaten them beforehand about my intention? Does anyone know how the judge is likely to react to the defence not attending? When will the court be notified about Cobblers absence in court? Any ammunition welcome. Thanks Potty.

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Hi potty, have a look through this thread here as it explains the various court hearings and everything you'll need to take with you (including the prelim) GOT A COURT DATE? A guide to the later stages. With the wasted costs, you need to have a look here Wasted costs order

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bank-templates-library/85726-wasted-costs-order.html?highlight=wasted+costs+order+template I imagine the court won't realistically even expect cobbetts to turn up - you won't actually know this though until the day.

 

Have a really good read through the first thread that I've given you above as this has some great tips on what to expect at the hearing.

 

Good luck x:)

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Hi Hedgey, Thanks for the reply and congratulations on your promotion. VIP now. My request for T & C's was ignored by Cobblers but Nat West sent a letter to say they dealing with my request! How should I notify the courts of this deliberate delaying tactic so close to Prelim day. I am the type of person that will chew the judges ear off and I know I have to show restraint BUT IT IS SOOOOO difficult. I don't want the judge to miss out on any important information, my son will be taking the muzzle! Should I type a letter or just mention it during my allocated 5 mins. Ha ha, I bet we overrun. I just hope for everyone's sake they make me an offer before friday. Thanks Potty.

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Hi potty, take your T&C request letter plus the letter you received from nat west that says they're dealing with it. Read the thread I linked for you really carefully as well - this will help you to prepare. And don't worry!!!

 

And thanks................ but I'm definitely no VIP......... still just hedgey! xx ;)

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Hedgey, thanks for the reply. I have read the thread GOT A COURT DATE, and printed off the information I need. Allocation hearing witness statement, Draft order for Directions, reasons why they should be ordered but the statement of evidence is causing some concern. At the end of the statement where it says documents attatched in support of this statement - where do I get this info from? The OFT report for April 2006, House of Commons early day motion etc Is all this required for a 5 min hearing? Do I have to take 3 copies with me? Thanks Potty

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Hi all, not in my wildest dreams did I think I would win, I know lots of you have but I am not the type of person that has any luck or ever wins anything. But guess what I WON, WON, WON, ME I WON. I WON I WON I WON I WON. Just getting rid of some excitement. I haven't even read the full letter yet, just the bid about gesture of goodwill and the cheque is enclosed. I want to thank everyone for their support, without you I would never have got this far. Hedgey, Steven, Parkvale, Michael and Fendy(where ever you are?) and everyone else for their useful threads. Donation will be on its way. POWER TO THE PEOPLE.

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