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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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My Mother's house was reposessed today by our local council. She and my 11 year old Sister are staying with relatives tonight and then moving into our house tomorrow. It is my Mum's fault to be honest. They have tried getting in touch with her plenty of times but she has been ignoring them and has had her head buried in the sand since losing my Dad to Cancer a few years ago. She has been depressed and ignored a lot of the letters.

 

She owes around £2,400 in rent arrears but was paying £70 rent per week +£9 extra toward the arrears which was deemed acceptable. At Christmas she missed a couple of weeks payments and this has lead to the current situation.

 

I was told by the guys reposessing the house that if I had known about the situation and spoken to them even five minutes before the reposession began they could have sorted something out.

 

I have asked if I could pay the £2,400 in full today to stop it happening but the reposession had started and so it was too late. I was told that I could pay the ammount and then it would be up to the descretion of somebody in our local council buildings. I went to speak to her and she denied that It was her decision to make and that it was unlikely that we could keep my Mum's house even if I paid the arrears and paid the next few months rent in advance and set up a direct debit to my own bank account or even use my own house as a guarantee.

 

We know that this has not been their fault, but it seems harsh that a depressed widow trying to raise a little girl on her own will be evicted from the house she raised her family with as it is the home she shared her life with my Dad with before he passed away.

 

Is there any way that this can be overturned seeing as I can pay the arrears in full?

 

Thank you for any advice you can give us.

 

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Hi there Utterlyscrewed sorry to hear your news, I was in court lately where LA's asked for tennants to be evicted and the judge always asked if kids where in the house, where there was he refused, he seemed very nice and not what you expect. I dont know how to advise on this but will ask for someone to come along and offer advice.

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Oh God, my heart goes out to you all. Even more so, because I cannot advise on any sure-fire steps which you could take to remedy this situation. All I know is that you have to act quickly and make a lot of noise in your housing dept as your mum's house can be allocated to other HA tenant.

In myopinion plead, write, call, buy flowers and chocolate, see your MP.

Tell them that if your mum is not given her home back, she will only be back to the housing dept to present herself as homeless. Do not let them convince you that she would be found "intentionally homeless"- this is where the local authority claims that it was your mum's fault. Do not think that yourself either! Depression is often underestimated in its overwhelming power. Get your mum's GP on your side. Get few days off work, you have a lot of calls and visits to make. Find your councillor's surgery times- go and waive the chequebook.

 

Even if your was evicted legally, there are some circumstances where she can apply to court to be allowed to move back in. However, it is rare for this to happen. Therefore get your mum to see a solicitor. Find one here: The Directory

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Keep us posted, our fingers are crossed.

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I don't know much about tenancy law. Are you in England or Scotland? I agree that whatever you do, do it quickly. Getting in touch with your MP imediatley is also a good idea - he/she can lean on the housing people. I'm afraid I also agree that it may well be too late, and that your mother may have to start afresh somewhere new. :(

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So sorry to hear what has happened, good luck with everything.

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I'm sorry to read this, remember tomorrow is a new day, and it will not look half as bad, I had my home repossessed (I was simple broke at the time) and I felt like the world was falling in failed family etc, but it is the truth one door closes and an other opens, so chin up.

 

I would give shelter a call, they are the experts on this, as basally the council have a duty to the homeless, I just do not know how that works in these cases.

 

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Did they have a court order to do this? I believe that they should have, and if this is the case I suggest you contact the court to tell them that you will pay the money. I don't know if this will work. Now the eviction has taken place I guess it will be harder to get your Mums home back than it would have been to keep her in it.

 

I don't know if this will help or not, but I work for a Housing Association (although not directly on the housing side of it), and I know that people wanting transfers to other houses will not be considered if they owe money. I mention this as I wonder if it might be worth paying the arrears anyway to help get her somewhere else to live. Even if she was housed by a different LA or HA, I believe they would want a reference from her former landlord, and she will fare much better if she has no outstanding arrears.

 

Please do not take my word on this as this is merely a bit of info I've picked up along the way, and I wouldn't want you to spend all that money unnecessarily. I believe a letter from her GP would also carry some weight.

 

Good luck and best wishes to you all. My heart goes out to your Mum and little sister. She must be at a loss to understand what is going on.

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Thanks to everyone who replied.

 

We went to an advice centre today near where we live (similar to C.A.B.) and they were absolutely fantastic. I don't want to get too carried away here and think we have cracked it, but they have now said that if we pay the arrears (£2,400) and 12 weeks rent in advance (£63pw) plus she signs the tennancy agreement over to me so I look after the rent in future then they can move back in in a week or two.

 

So far, due to the kindness of neighbours and relatives we have about £2,000 and a couple of relatives are looking to cash in shares tomorrow for the rest.

 

We are not there yet, but I feel a lot better than I did this time yesterday. I cried in bed last night. I've just left my Mum with tears of relief running down her face. What a difference a day makes.

 

On a side note, I have told the guy who dealt with us that I would like to volunteer some of my time to help them out, even if it would be just distributing leaflets to raise awareness. My girlfriend works for a credit card company and she has decided to leave and look for a job with the C.A.B. or even just start off with voluntary work for a similar organisation.

 

Thanks again for all of your encouragement.

 

Now I can't wait to get stuck into the next job. Capital One I think.

 

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That's fantastic. I thought that if it could be paid it might help. I hope it perks your Mum up to realise what a fantastic supportive family she has. If she hasn't seen the doctor about her depression do try and encourage her to do so. I know from personal experience that it is an horrendous illness, but once you face the fact you have a problem, there is help available.

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That's fantastic. I thought that if it could be paid it might help. I hope it perks your Mum up to realise what a fantastic supportive family she has. If she hasn't seen the doctor about her depression do try and encourage her to do so. I know from personal experience that it is an horrendous illness, but once you face the fact you have a problem, there is help available.

 

She has been to the Doctor today mate. She is going to start going to Counselling. It looks like this whole thing has been a blessing in disguise now. The arrears are being sorted out once and for all, Mum has admitted she needs help and hopefully we can get together and buy the house with the right to buy so that her and my Sisters future will be financially secured.

 

I am dropping off to sleep as I am typing after my sleepless night last night.

 

Haha. It's been worth it though.

 

Thank you all once again.

 

I hope somebody else can read this discussion and realise that the sooner they share their problems with their family, the sooner things will get sorted.

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Do you know I had a funny feeling it would have a positive outcome. That is great. Well done you.

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I am very happy for you and utterly astonished. It is very rare that tenant is allowed back after eviction. You mudt have great powers of persuasion!

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If anyone needs any help with this sort of situation I would be happy to help.

 

I was a manager of the rents department for my local council until a year ago when I got the opportunity to ditch the day job for a job in web-development.

 

Local authorities will, after eviction and arrears repaid, allow the tenant back into the home almost immediatelly as it saves them money on void tenancy work. The tenancy agreement will not be a secure tenancy it it was previously (if this was the existing terms) , and could be an introductorty tenancy or and assured shorthold tenancy.

 

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Thrax- very interesting thanks for that. Is this something in practice nationally or just locally? Is there any specific guidance or just a discretion or good practice? How much hassle is a “void” work? Is this a strong argument?

I am ever so grateful for your comments as currently I have two tenants in a very similar situation to UtterlyScrewed’s mum’s one and there is no networking relationship between advice agencies and housing dept in my local authority.

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Joa,

 

It depends on the landlord. Once the warrant has been executed the tenancy is terminated.

 

If the landlord is a local authority, authorites have a duty to find alternative accomodation for a period of 28 days.

 

If, very soon following the eviction, the arrears can be cleared in full, the landlord could, at their discretion grant you a new tenancy in the same property. It is very unlikely that they will have someone who is ready to move in the following day.

 

Before any tenant is allowed into a property, there is "void" work that needs to be carried out, which costs the authority both time and money, before the property can become let, and therefore income gained.

 

Gas safety checks, and a full electrical test must be carried out. Removal of furniture and other remedial works that are required to bring the property to a lettable standard. If property is left in the dwelling, the authority must record every item in the dwelling, attribute and approx price. If property of value is left at the dwelling, the authortiy must securely store your possessions.

 

All this adds up to lots of money, and a lot of time. You could argue with the authority that it would save them a lot of money if they let you back into the property with all arrears paid. This is of course at the discretion of the landlord.

 

Good Luck

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The housing association that I work for offers tenants leaving property vouchers (possibly 100.00 I think) if they leave the place in good order. I believe the average cost of a void property before re-letting is, on average over 1,000.00, so it can save quite a bit if left in good order and allows the property to be let quicker, although gas checks etc still have to be done.

 

Everything is done to avoid a property being empty, so I agree with what Thrax says.

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I just thought I'd add something on to this . . .

 

There is a massive ammount of investment about to be pumped into the town where we live, creating plenty of leisure, recreational and shopping facilities and of course the jobs that come with them. It's great news for this place, but as I predicted back then, the local authorities are evicting an astonishing number of people. More than ever before.

 

I really think that the value of property is going to rocket here, so if you have the right to buy they will evict you as soon as you give them a chance, meaning that whatever extra value added to the property is theirs, not yours.

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What town are you talking about?

 

Kirkby on Merseyside mate.

 

Everton Football Club are going to build a new Stadium here and Tesco want to build a new Superstore. There are rumours of Planet Hollywood, a Casino, Cinema and other businesses.

 

There is not a great deal here at the moment and housing has always been pretty cheap until this news surfaced. Now prices are increasing and new businesses have started moving in already.

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