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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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2006-12-21John 212.42.10.194

These people called twice and hung up as I answered after 1 ring

 

 

2006-12-22Mike 212.50.170.23

These people have called twice a day for a few weeks now. They hang up as soon as the call is answered

 

 

2006-12-28Andy 87.254.69.239

Called me again today. Used google and found this place. They've been calling almost every day now for a little while, but they hang up when my machine answers.

 

 

2006-12-28Andy 87.254.69.239

What a result. The number belongs to [edit]

Tried to get ne to take out a loan, when they hung up, i found out it was the same number.

 

 

2007-01-03mumu 195.137.62.87

Called me twive a day for the past two days. I never answer if I don't recognise the number. Like the dude above I found this through Google. I'm not supposed to get any sales calls so I'll be using the info garnered here to report a violation.

 

 

2007-01-09smithy 81.102.217.115

Its not a loan company at all,its some type of [problem]/ripoff.They phoned my 65 year old dad and said they were from MBNA bank,started asking for private account info .Lucky my dad got suspicious an wouldnt answer at which point they hung up.I tried to ring them but its constantly an engaged tone so i rang the real MBNA helpline and they varified its nothing to do with them.DO NOT GIVE ANY INFO TO ANYONE RINGING FROM THIS NUMBER,ITS A [problem].

 

 

2007-01-19Mel 86.135.231.186

i have several calls too from this number and they hang up all the time when the ansa machine gets it, they are always engaged, this is prob an automated dial out number seems dodgy.

 

 

2007-02-14matt 81.154.81.202

keep asking for my ife and then hang up!! f*&kers!!

 

 

2007-02-14Harps 70.167.127.32

These people call me almost every day at least once. Each time they hang up.

 

 

2007-02-23M 86.133.201.91

These are a dodgy outfit. Spoke to the 'customer services' today after finding this site. They played silly games and kept me on hold for 7+ minutes. Whenever they asked to speak to me they said it was in reference to an application that I had made to them, totally untrue (and I suspect Illegal). Can't bad mouth this company enough.

 

 

2007-02-23M2 86.133.201.91

Having spoken to loans.co.uk they did verify that 01772 551900 was indeed one of their numbers. I spoke to the manager of the call centre Sonia Giordano 01772 268591 and passed on my grievances regarding the techniques of the sales staff. In particular, when they state that their call was concerning an 'application' that I had made (false). To give the woman credit she did state that they wanted to check my details to ensure that any fraud had not taken place (i.e. that someone had made an application in my name). I asked her if she minded if I passed on her number to any relevant sources (which I consider this site to be, as people are 'Googling' nuisance phone calls now). I suggest that if anyone receives any of these calls that they call Sonia directly as she holds a senior position and can deal with any issues or concerns you may have. As yet I haven’t disclosed any details to these people directly or asked to be removed from the database. I will be recording any future calls that I receive in order to compile a dossier.

 

 

2007-02-23Robin Hood 86.133.201.91

If these people keep annoying you - call this number 01923 655 540 and speak to Karen McDade directly. She holds quite an authoriritive position. Try calling her twice daily, perhaps leaving no message or indeed just putting down the receiver. They seem to think that this it is alright practice for their sales staff to adopt!

 

 

2007-03-01Fabs 81.1.81.246

These people have been calling me for the last week. i ones answered but they hung up.

 

 

2007-03-14andrew 82.20.14.0

hang up when i answer

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I ahd exactly teh same thing - phoneed them, spoke to a manager and screamed "harrassment and breach of DPA". Got a few more calls, spoke to a different manager - calls stopped.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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I ahd exactly teh same thing - phoneed them, spoke to a manager and screamed "harrassment and breach of DPA". Got a few more calls, spoke to a different manager - calls stopped.

 

BL**DY HELL THAT WAS A QUICK RESPONSE

 

IF YOU GET ANY OTHER CALLS FROM DIFFERENT NUMBERS

POST THEM ON HERE & WILL CHECK THEM OUT TO FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE !

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BL**DY HELL THAT WAS A QUICK RESPONSE

 

IF YOU GET ANY OTHER CALLS FROM DIFFERENT NUMBERS

POST THEM ON HERE & WILL CHECK THEM OUT TO FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE !

01302784183 Robinson Way I think If someone cares to check

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Ok here are a couple I can't get through to...

 

01514 790059 - three calls

01226 300009 - one call

01226 300028 - one call

 

Never any voicemails and when trying to go back numbers are dead...

 

Any clues as to how I can find them please?

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Ok here are a couple I can't get through to...

 

01514 790059 - three calls

01226 300009 - one call

01226 300028 - one call

 

Never any voicemails and when trying to go back numbers are dead...

 

Any clues as to how I can find them please?

 

01226 300009 are from Barnsley

 

0151 numbers are Liverpool

 

Obviously like myself you have witheld callers barred so its likely one of them on an ex directory number. The two Barnsley ones are likely to be Robberson and Way as I have had dealings with them on similar number

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I found out the area codes. I really want to know who they are as Robinson & Way said they'd stopped calling me and account was sorted....no idea who I'd know in Liverpool!

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I would be 99% certain that the Barnsley ones are Robberson Way try dialling 01226 300000 that may get you through. \if you sre using 141 to block your number then some of these nice DCAs will not accept the call. Simple answer ring from a call box

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Hi I keep getting calls from 01226 300028 i've heard its from a debt collecting company but I don't have any debt that I am aware of, I don't like answering the phone to people I don't know, is there any reason they would be ringing me?

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Hi I keep getting calls from 01226 300028 i've heard its from a debt collecting company but I don't have any debt that I am aware of, I don't like answering the phone to people I don't know, is there any reason they would be ringing me?
99% certain its Robberson Way. You may not have any debt that you are aware of but this is not a problem that concerns them

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So I do need to speak to them then? Sorry for being ignorant i've never had anything like this before.
Under no circumstances should you ever speak on the telephone to this shower. If they have anything to say to you let them put it in writing

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This is a strange coincidence finding this thread. I too have been plagued by the dreaded 01772 number over the past couple of months - although have not spoken to anyone.

 

However, today received a headed letter from Loans.co.uk. It says "We have recently learned that information relating to you may have been among certain data sold to third party loan companies without loans.co.uk's permission. We have Reported this incident to the police.

This information may include your name, address, phone no as well as any previous loan amounts requested, loan purpose, date of birth and mortgage details.

We believe the info may be used by these third party companies to contact you. There is a possibility it may also be used to commit identity fraud, although we believe this is unlikely"

They apologised and have tried to soften the blow with 12months free CreditExpert from Experion for the next 12 months by going to the link Credit Expert from Experian.

The website looks legit but I can't help thinking the word '[problem]' as the letter says "you'll need your credit/debit details so we can check your identity." Hmmm..... Don't think I'll try that! Don't know what any of you think about this!??

 

Weirdly enough, I also got a letter today from MBNA offering a loan, in connection with, you guessed it, loans.co.uk!!!

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Just a little research I've done with regards to Experian. One of their former names was CCN GROUP LIMITED WebCHeck - Select and Access Company Information who according to an Equifax report Equifax Full Report are/were (amongst other things) an Adjustment & Collection service. Seems as if Experian have their feet in both camps so to speak!

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We have Reported this incident to the police.

Well if they had, they forgot to quote the crime number in case you wished to speak to the police. Do not speak or if you feel the urge to write, do not sign (print name). Personally I would just ignore them or call their bluff and send complaint to Information Commissioner for a breach of data protection.

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