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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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I have read a few more threads but cant find any like this. I have just changed all the dates, in case that helps. It doesnt.

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Go here for the info. "Here" being Vampiress's spreadsheets. I apologise if you have been to the right place already but I am several steps behind you still.

 

Is Christmas getting to you a little? I cannot spend money on a 2nd class stamp at the moment, payday being Friday. Thank goodness for Child Tax Credit on Tuesday. So why am I so happy I ask myself. Because next year things will be better for all of us on this site as we are empowering ourselves. Are you a parent like me? All our children really want is a happy few days just relaxing, spending time together, with some presents, some lovely meals and some laughs. (Well this is what I have planned anyway.) This mother dosn't necessarily go to Iceland - Aldi will do.

 

Have a lovely Christmas and a Prosperous New Year:smile:

 

 

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PANIC OVER....!!

I think i need to sleep, i have been looking at these sheets and calculating numbers for hours. brain numb now. I was getting really mad cos it wouldnt let me put 31 April. Brain wave 1 hour later to check calender. duhhhhh. 30 days in April. lol,

Thanx sally. Yes i have children. 2, 1 of them is disabled so this money will treat to a hol for him.

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Now why didn't I think of that!! Big things like writing these letters, getting your head round the legalities fine. Checking calendar dates - well that is just the banana skin. Michael Bentine's biography is called that "The Long Banana Skin". Michael Who you are saying? He was one of the original Goons and did a wonderful childrens series called "The Potties".

 

 

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Today i sent my LBA. I have just got in and got my post. 2 letters from halifax, but i am soooo confused.

To explain......

 

My claim was too big in total as i have 2 accounts, so i split them. 1 claim is for 1,157. I recieved the letter with offer of £558.00, which i will kindly turn down, but not sure what to do as i sent lba already this morning.

 

Second claim total was £5005.00 so i split in case they merged accounts.

So i claimed for £2,987.00 ( which now has changed to £2,899.00, got a date mixed up).

The offered amount for this is £4,067.00 :-o

 

Anyone any ideas?????????

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Call 'em and ask? They may have combined the amounts, or may have made a mess of it.

 

There will be a name on the letter, even if they don't say where they are or give a phone number. You may be able to track them down via the main switchboard in Halifax - 01422 380880

 

If you've sent in the LBA then you don't need to do anything about the offer leter as they've obviously crossed. You could send them one along the lines of Rejection of settlement offer, just so they can't say you dismissed it outright.

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Ok, i phoned them, the guy was really nice and very helpful, says he inundated with claims from a certain website..! he he he:D

Any way what they have done is kept the 2 claims seperate, £588 for £1157

and the other account i split £5005 so i could claim again for second half, but they have gone back 6 years. So offer of £4067 is from 5005. So i have to claim all in 1 go now i think. Plus i have added more charges this week, :mad: £120 i think.

So advice needed once again.

If i am to claim full amount what happens now as i have sent for half????

I knew mine wouldnt be straight forward..!!!

Help!!:?

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Hmmm - I'm not sure myself so hope someone more knowledgeable can jump in here to advise.

 

If it were me I would just send the letters saying thanks but no thanks and continue forward. Rejection of settlement offer

 

If you prefer to keep things seperate then refer to your own figures, not theirs. I'd just say that they offered £xx against your claims £aa and £bb, then continue as two seperate amounts still.

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"You can put both accounts together if you like, but remember that if the total claim is over £5,000 it will not be classed as a small claim. If you decide to make 2 claims let one finish before starting the second or they may get lumped together anyway." This is what Caro posted on 07/11/06.

 

Remember you can keep adding fees on your 2nd claim up to and including sending your N1 or MCOL. It would appear that Halifax are being efficient and replying to both claims within one letter. It is up to you whether you accept or reject and decide to claim once or twice. Sally

 

 

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Hi Sally,

I think i might of got mixed a bit.

They sent me 2 letters for the 2 different claims. The letter for £550 i have done the rejection letter, thats ready to go in the morning.

It is being treated as seperate.

Its the second claim where the problem is. My claim is for half the amount, ( guy on the phone said i didnt include dates so they have gone for the full 6 years. If he got my letter then he got my spread sheet!)

I think i might have to go and have a look at the fast track threads, as i think they are going to be akward and just do it in 1 go.

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Any mods out there who can advise me.

Should i claim the £5120 even tho i sent lba, or stick to the £2899. Im so scared of messing this up now.

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It's getting too late for me now but even if you did not put dates on your spreadsheets the amount claimed would be the same figure as in the letter. Perhaps you could send revised spreadsheets with covering letter referring to the telephone conversation. Do you not have copies of spreadsheets? On reflection do you feel that the halifax man was in charge of the conversation and telling you what to do? ANY MODS OUT THERE!!!!!!!

 

 

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I have looked everywhere on this site and from other banks to see if anyone has the same problem as mine, but theres nothing..!

So now im wondering do i just accept the 4000, even though id be loosing near 2 000, or do i scrap it and restart asking for the total of 5, 125, or just carry on for the 2899 i stated on the lba (which has been sent) or do i just wait.

PLEASE HELP:(

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I would, only i have started it going for half the claim, i was advised to split, half now and half later. All the paper work i have sent is for half. Surley if i send another letter with the full amount there will be problems.

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I asked BANKFODDER. Great guy. He says splitting an account is out dated now, and i need to do a new spreadsheet for the full amount and reject the offer. Yey im back on track, so i guess i have a busy night ahead with all new spread sheets. :D

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Thats interesting - so you will be going fast-track too, I have read somewhere that it has its advantages (in relation to disclosure). Makes me feel better about my claim, good luck with spreadsheets just keep thinking of all that money!

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Thanx everyone for the help. When you have a panic attack its nice to see everyone try to help.

Yep im going for the lot...! :D So im afraid doo im following your every step, he he,

My total claim now is 5,245. No wonder im always broke :sad: :o

The interest is 690, does that seem right?

So anyway rejection letter off tommorrow, gulp.!

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read mrsirshjohn thread, hillard gave some good advice out so thought I would take it myself, basically rung halifax on the number he gave and have made an agreement with them for my charges (just thirty pounds short) am happy with this - they are sending out agreement letter today so hopefully should have it by wednesday - will keep you posted - may be worth a try for you. HAPPY CHRISTMAS

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OK, so i have been trying to get sorted for my N1 forms. And my com has thrown a hissy fit..!

I can download the forms but cant type on them or do anything on them, which is worse than useless.

I cant afford mcol as 2 kids birthdays within next 4 weeks. I have copied 4. Particulars of claim - N1 - hard copy version and added my details, will this do if i present it at court or will they advise about getting the N1 forms.

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I have just phoned my local court, and the guy was really nice, he knew what i was on about, (think he has dealt with a few..! :) )

He explained my com wou;dnt let me write out the sheet, so he told me to go in tomorrow with everything i have got and he will help me through it all. He said its easier to do it through the N1,

so i will let you know how i get on. I am going to do the smaller claim first. Then maybe nextweek the large one :D

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FILED.........!!:D

All i did was print my P O C (3) and took 3 lots of spread sheets, the court gave me a form which i filled (details on p o c) EASY, and handed them over. Cant believe i was worried.

Lady said she has NEVER heard of any bank going all the way, as it will open a massive can of worms if they admit they are wrong, So i have a really good feeling about this now.

 

Tommorrow im filing the large claim, just over £5.000.

Also less chance of them defending on fast track.

 

I can almost smell FLORIDA.................:D

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