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My parcel was actually delivered by Evri to the terrace house but the buyer wasnt at home ( sunday) the driver left the parcel on the 5 steps up to the door which is On the street and when the buyer came home the parcel had gone, he only knew it had been delivered by the card through the door.

He went onto the website to see proof of delivery picture which does show the parcel on the steps but who in their right mind would not think its going to be stolen ?

Ive messaged Evri opening a case but they have replied with " Parcel found" and case closed.

I didnt take out protection.

Would i have a claim because the evri driver has left the parcel so anyone could steal it ?

He might aswell of just thrown it out of the vans window.


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Yes I think you will have a claim.

Please can you tell us more about it:
what was the item?
Was it correctly identified?
What was the value?
Was the value correctly declared?
I understand that you sold this item. Was this through eBay? To use 1/3 party broker such as Packlink or did you deal with EVRi directly?

Please answer these questions and also spend at least a couple of days – seriously, a couple of days – reading lots of the stories on the sub- forum. Most them will involve EVRi – but it doesn't matter if they involve other parcel delivery companies. The principles are the same.

It is important that you understand the basis of your claim and the way that it will go.

Answer the questions now, do the reading and then come back here in a couple of days

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Thank you for that ...

I have read a few posts on here about evri but they were to do with Evri losing the parcel in their network and not having the item stolen once delivered, its the fact that the parcel was left in plain sight where anyone walking past could just pick it up.

The item was a cars power steering pipe worth £100 which i sold on ebay and ive refunded the buyer.

I used Parcel2go to book the postage with Evri and its value was declared.

I'll have a read through some posts and think about what to do , id usually just leave it but its the fact it was just left in plain view

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Please read the stories and come back here. There is no reason why you should give up. Your chances of success are excellent. You have a picture of where the parcel was left. Maybe you could post that here please

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So Evri using the tactic of Photographic evidence of the parcel at your front door so it has been delivered case closed really.

That parcel irrespective of there photographic evidence unless you agreed for them to deliver it in that manner has not been delivered as it was not handed to the customer so there excuse is a load of bull.

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6 hours ago, ProperDribbly said:

My parcel was actually delivered by Evri to the terrace house but the buyer wasnt at home

would have been nice if the buyer had responded to the email from evri asking what to do with the parcel before delivery....

be careful here, you have to prove evri acted irresponsibly.

it would be nice of the buyer would answer a simple question from you, has he had parcels from them before and stipulated delivery instructions?

that might help your case.


please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I sent Evri a complaint via the Resolver website and attached is their reply.

I initially went through Parcel2go to book the delivery and apparently my case is with them ? But at least Evri have said that leaving the parcel wasn't a safe place ....

Evri's reply

"" Hi Andrew,
Thank you for getting in touch with your enquiry regarding parcel reference ........
Im sorry to hear that you have experienced a problem with this delivery and I can appreciate how frustrating this situation must be for you and your recipient.
 I can see that you purchased the shipping label for this parcel via Parcel2Go. While your parcel was sent using the Evri network, Parcel2Go are regarded as the carrier in this situation as they provided you with the shipping label. This means that any claims for parcels which have become lost, damaged or delivered late will need to go directly to them so they can discuss the appropriate next steps with you.
Here is a useful link which may assist you:
Parcel2Go Help Centre: https://www.parcel2go.com/help-centre
I understand that you would like to raise this as a complaint so therefore I am going to add the courier onto the non compliance list for leaving your parcel on the door step which we do not class as a safe location. Once the courier is added onto the list, the Field Manager will be fully aware and internal actions will be taken place.
We will ensure going forward, your parcels are delivered to your satisfactory needs but if you do require any further assistance on this matter then please do feel free to respond back to my email.  """
Now didn't take out extra insurance but surely I can claim with consumer rights ?
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resolver is useless you should have written using royal mail.

as with 100's of threads here eVRI are your target.

delivery photos now as pdf in post above


please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Firstly, we asked you to do a substantial amount reading in order for you to understand the principles.

Have you done the reading? Your last question relating to insurance suggest very strongly that you haven't done the reading at all. This is a self-help forum and although we will direct you and guide you and help you with your documents, you must at least meet us halfway. We don't get paid. We are just volunteers and you have to take some responsibility.
It will also help your confidence and so that you will be better placed to take control of the claim as it proceeds through the courts – which is absolutely where it will go.

Please will you do the reading

Secondly, you raise a complaint to Resolver. When you do this? If you are seeking help from more than one source then we suggest that you stick with Resolver rather than try to ride two horses at the same time and received possibly conflicting and confusing advice.

Once again, what we do here is completely free. We don't want to compete with some organisation. The people at Resolver are paid and if you have gone to them then it is better that you stick with them so that we can get on helping other people who have decided simply to take advice from us.

Please will you clarify

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As stated I used Resolver because I could up load pictures to Evri showing wider images of the steps Showing that the steps are basically on the street which you can Not do on their live chat.

I haven't done the reading No, I don't understand it , I've read The courier industry insurance requirements are unenforceable because: but I'm lost .

Anyway Thanks I'll leave it

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I'm sorry you feel that way. We would suggest that you keep and try to do the reading. It will become clear and if you try to understand it and then ask us questions will be happy to help you.

However please understand that all information is here. We spend many hours helping people on the same issues and we don't have time to keep on repeating ourselves every new case.

You can win this and you will feel better about it and not only that, you will learn enough about the principles involved in the small claims process to be able to go on and be more confident about dealing with other companies who treat you in this way.

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Morning ...

Ive been emailing Evri through Resolver which I'm using just as a portal to Evri nothing more and I've an update.

After several replies from Evri saying my contract was with Parcel2go so it's them who I need to contact and me replying with the Third right act ect ect Evri have today said I can make a claim through their claim process but I'm just worried that they will repeat that it's to do with Parcel2go and close the claim wasting time .

Should I go through their claim process or stick with the Third right act ... ?

P.s.   Thank you for the help so far, if it was for a smaller amount I probably wouldn't bother but £100 is too much to lose.

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You have been bringing your complaint through Resolver so what do they advise you to do?

Why don't you simply stay with them?

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First of all, the Resolver staff are paid. We are not. We are all volunteers. Therefore it is unhelpful to find people try to ride two horses at one time. They makes our job harder and it can create confusion because you can get conflicting advice.
If you want help from us, then we are very happy to give you the support you need but we are not interested in competing with another organisation and you really should make up your mind and we would suggest that you go to Resolver.

You start dealing with this only two weeks ago and it seems to me that you haven't moved on it at all. This would not be our style.
You would probably have sent a letter of claim by now and be on the verge of issuing court claim.

Why are you going against EVRi? Why not against the broker that used?

I don't understand why you felt that there was some advantage in communicating with the courier company indirectly through a third party intermediary.

Have you done the reading that I suggested? About two weeks ago you said that you have read only a few posts.

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Yes I know the Resolver staff are paid you have mentioned it before and the fact that here is voluntary , I know.

As I've said , I am only using resolver to email Evri as if i go through the live chat there will be a case opened and then when they decide it will be closed and that's that,  where I've found if I go through Resolver that can't happen, now let's forget about Resolver.

I have NOT asked Resolver their opinion or help and they have NOT said anything to me. 

I opened a case with Parcel2go on the day of it being stolen and they opened a case which was closed the following day saying the parcel had been found which isn't what I asked for , I'm sick of them just closing cases it's like banging your head against a brick wall so I'm going for Evri

 question is , Should I accept Evri's offer of going through their claim process. 

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I think you should send a letter of claim to p2g.

And in terms of forgetting resolver,  you are the person who keeps on bringing them up

Draft your letter of claim and post it here.

It's a shame about the delay. This could have been done almost two weeks ago

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2 hours ago, Nicky Boy said:

Hi,  Thank you ,   I've already read that along with a few others

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Waiting for your draft letter of claim.

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sue parcel2go,


They're legal department are worse than evris.

They'll just tell you stories.

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