After Sunak do we trust next PM to fix the Country's problems? Tory party future?( title revised 14/7/24)

[theoldrouge]

5 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

Leaver baiting? - You mean 'the Truth'

Well, we cant help it if someone considers Truth as 'baiting

 

 

Oh yea careless of me I completely forgot that lefties don’t possess a sense of humour 
could have saved you a tirade 

[tobyjugg2]

Be laughing with/at you as soon as the next general election tosses the Tories on the scrap heap ..

I wont say flushes them away as we really dont want those lumps adding to the pollution in our waterways eh

Cheer up:

A reminder that Rwanda only has the capacity to take 200 people

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Rwanda has agreed to take just 200 people after originally agreeing to take up to 1,000 migrants from the UK.

 

[honeybee13]

It seems Rwanda doesn't want to sign the treaty that is supposed to get round the Supreme Court ruling on whether Rwanda is a safe country.

They're objecting to loss of sovereignty.

Edit: Link added.

Tory splits deepen as Sunak's plan to sign Rwanda treaty hit by delay

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Kigali is refusing UK Government demands to place British officials in the east African nation.

 

[tobyjugg2]

seems to me that the 'delay (kick into the long grass) is what the UK taxpayer is actually paying vastly in excess of £140M+ for

.. or do the Tories really want to trash the good friday agreement and their really crappy trade deal with the USA along with many other of the UK's international agreements which rely/refer?

 

Hmmm - all those downsides, with the 'upside (sic) of maybe 200 migrants at a million quid each trafficked?

vs

a million quid each for 200 migrants not to be trafficked, issue kicked into long grass,  - and some dog whistles for the shallow end

(bargain - its only taxpayer money after all)

Edited November 28, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

hey Tossries - I'll take some migrants  - just a £100 million quid up front - we'll sort out details later eh?

 

.. £50M+ cheaper than Rwanda .. can you get a refund? No? ah well .. Not my problem ..

Edited November 28, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

(True) soundbite of the day, especially presented in tinsel for the right wing supporters of the utter cobblers that is the Rwanda farce

'Even if ministers had somehow managed to turn around every single dinghy leaving a French beach last year, legal migration would still have hit record levels.

 

[honeybee13]

Interesting. Where is that from, TJ?

[tobyjugg2]

I wouldn't suggest anyone attempt to through the seemingly deliberate attempts of the UK guv (or even ONS) to munge and camouflage the stats - through terms such as 'irregular. regularised etc etc

.. but the sky report is a relatively easy start:

Net migration into UK in 2022 revised up to record-breaking figure of 745,000

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Former home secretary Suella Braverman calls the numbers "a slap in the face to the British public" after the Office for National Statistics details the...

 

or

 

Irregular migration to the UK, year ending September 2023 - GOV.UK

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Behaviour shifts and the implications for migration statistics

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Net migration to the UK has been running at record levels. Driven by a rise in people coming for work, increasing numbers of students and world events...

 

Migration statistics - GOV.UK

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This series brings together documents relating to Home Office statistics on migration.

Irregular migration in the UK - Migration Observatory

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This briefing examines irregular migration – also called ‘illegal immigration’ – in the UK, including the difficulties in defining and measuring it, and...

 

[tobyjugg2]

A crucial stat .. that continues to Sept

 

"The increase in non-EU immigration in the YE June 2023 was mainly driven by migrants coming for work (up to 33% from 23% in YE June 2022), largely attributed to those coming on health and care visas;

in contrast, those arriving on humanitarian routes decreased from 19% to 9% over the same period. "

 

- read the above carefully

I'm loath to explain as there are some aspects which fly in the face of the Tory right-wing dog whistles - LOL (let their hate shine and shoot themselves)

 

Hint

The Tory right can hardly admit they need experienced workers and dont want to invest 'locally eh?

Edited November 28, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[theoldrouge]

Not many right wingers actually support the Rwanda plan which was always going to be a non starter due to leftie lawyers 
Far better to have built secure detention centres here, decided the applications for asylum within a few days and deported those failing immediately ( not too many genuine asylum seekers lob their ID into the channel prior to arrival)
As for allowing in extended families to “support “ students is quite ludicrous 
Can only hope the Tories are reduced to a handful of MPs and a new party emerges that actually delivers what the overwhelming silent majority actually want and what they voted for on three separate occasions only to be ignored 

[honeybee13]

I'm not sure the Supreme Court is made up of left wing lawyers.

I'm interested to know what the silent majority want.

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, theoldrouge said:

 

Only a few of the most loathsome right wingers actually support the Rwanda plan which was always going to be a non starter due to being incompetent, illegal, breaching far too many other agreements and quite simply 'not fit for purpose' let alone worth wasting the best part (other costs included) of a couple hundred £million taxpayer money on - as anyone with even a modicum of competence immediately saw

Far better to have decided the applications for asylum within a few days and deported those failing immediately and integrate the others swiftly

 - apart from being unable to deport people to places where there are no agreements in place thanks to Brexitish incompetence - I hope you are not advocating just throwing them in the sea as you seemed to be excusing the mass murder of Palestinians ?

As for allowing in extended families to “support “ students is quite ludicrous 

+1

Can only hope the Tories are reduced to a handful of MPs

+1

... Corrected

weren't you shouting support for Braverman on this and related matters @theoldrouge  ?

[theoldrouge]

Good to see Mr Gove agreeing with the head of the FBI that the virus was indeed man made
and escaped from the lab in Wuhan
Debunking Juggs following of the science that it originated in a batcave 1000 miles from Wuhan
 

I Became Convinced Lockdown Was Needed for "Man-Made" Virus Due to Information From "Friends Outside Government", Michael Gove Tells Covid Inquiry – The Daily Sceptic

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Michael Gove has told the Covid Inquiry he became convinced lockdown was needed to counter the "man-made" coronavirus...

not to mention the fact that it now emerges that Moderna were developing a vaccine against the virus before it was even leaked from the lab
 

Still not to worry the enquiry has already concluded that Boris was guilty of Brexit

[honeybee13]

Reuters don't agree about the vaccine being developed early on, unless this has been superseded

COVID-19 vaccine was not being developed before the outbreak | Reuters

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Social media users are sharing a document from 2019 about an mRNA vaccine to claim baselessly that the U.S. government knew about COVID-19...

Going back to Rwanda, here are Rafael Behr's thoughts on Sunak's current problem.

Rwanda is a proxy in the war for the Tory soul. It’s a war Rishi Sunak is losing | Rafael Behr | The Guardian

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A brave leader would admit he is cornered and set out a new direction to his party and the public. He’s not that guy, says Guardian columnist Rafael Behr

 

[tobyjugg2]

Gove says 'its a Novel virus so its ok to make up stories like 'its man made and 'we were prepared for the wrong or indeed prepared for any virus and 'How could we know spreading respiratory virus would spread and infect people.

Head of inquiry and everyone who isnt a nut and/or dog whistling says 'stop talking water company pollution Gove

and the incompetent self serving corrupt idiots didnt even follow the flu virus 'plan' ephemeral as it was anyway - just read it to see

Gove makes note for later claim he was just testing everyones' eyesight by trying to pull the wool over their eyes.

[tobyjugg2]

just change a few of the names of the references

 

 

[honeybee13]

People think Starmer did well and that Sunak looked pretty silly by the end of PMQs. As for accusing the Greek PM of grandstanding...

[tobyjugg2]

I think that more than that - the linked 'question time shows the issues we are seeing are a core Tory issue, which gets 'forgotten'.

Britain doesn't boom under the Tories - it bombs - they are just better liars and better at blaming others for their failures

 

[tobyjugg2]

Fact of the day

Michael Gove’s flagship bill to end leaseholds on newly built houses in England and Wales

contains no provision to end leaseholds on newly built houses in England and Wales

 

- Kiran Stacey Political correspondent

 

What the ... ?

1. Downing street didn't want it - but didnt want the flack from not including it - so farcically include it without the headline bit

2. Torys want it done via amendments so they can drop some huge  lumps of poop in with it that only they want passing and hope to slide it through without an immediate uproar in parliament

 

Gove’s leasehold reform bill does not ban leaseholds on new-build houses | Leasehold | The Guardian

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Rush to write legislation means clauses to ban the leaseholds will be added via amendments

 

[theoldrouge]

“

Gove says 'its a Novel virus so its ok to make up stories like 'its man made and 'we were prepared for the wrong or indeedprepared for any virus and 'How could we know spreadingrespiratory virus would spread and infect people.”

 

it’s OK Jugg Mr Icke will see you shortly 
you’ll be telling me next The King and Kate were members of the EDL all along 

[tobyjugg2]

 

Israel knew of Hamas plot more than a year ago

Israeli officials obtained Hamas’s battle plan for the devastating Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, according to documents, emails and interviews, but they dismissed it as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out. In fact, Hamas followed the blueprint with shocking precision.

Over about 40 pages, a document code-named Jericho Wall by the Israeli authorities outlined exactly the kind of devastating invasion that led to the deaths of about 1,200 people. It did not set a date, but it described a methodical assault designed to overwhelm the fortifications around the Gaza Strip, take over Israeli cities and storm key military bases.

Last year, shortly after the document had been obtained, officials in the Israeli military said that Hamas’s intentions were unclear. Then, in July, just three months before the attacks, a veteran Israeli intelligence analyst warned that Hamas had conducted an intense, daylong training exercise that appeared similar to what was outlined in the blueprint. Those concerns were brushed off.

Concessions: Israeli security officials have already acknowledged that they failed to protect the country, and the government is expected to assemble a commission to study the events leading up to the attacks. The Jericho Wall document lays bare the missteps that culminated in what officials now regard as the worst Israeli intelligence failure in five decades.

More from the war:

Antony Blinken, the U.S. secretary of state, urged Israeli leaders to take concrete steps to reduce civilian deaths in Gaza. At least three people were killed and six others wounded when two Hamas-affiliated gunmen opened fire on the outskirts of Jerusalem. Since the Oct. 7 attacks, extremist settlers in the West Bank have been emboldened, displacing more than 1,000 Palestinians, according to the U.N. -NYT

[tobyjugg2]

The above does need careful consideration of all aspects but

 

‘You’ve ruined this country’: Israeli ministers heckled out of hospital

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Civilians could be heard shouting ‘get out of here’ as public anger at the government mounts

 

 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

and the UK guv is doing the decent thing - at last - better late than never - although the lateness of the 'secret' actions and leak'ness of the 'secret' plans leaked to newspapers does raise some questions on the reasons

BUT - better late than never

 

Revealed: 1,500 Afghans scrambled to UK in secretive mission

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Exclusive: James Heappey lifts the lid on a military operation to airlift Afghans who fought with Britain out of Pakistan

 

[theoldrouge]

All in black and white for you Jugg 
 

“

Any notion that this novel coronavirus arose from contaminated bat meat sold in the wet market at Wuhan is a fairytale for the credulous, a juvenile explanation that insults the intelligence of every serious virologist.

The Chinese are to blame for the Covid pandemic and the deaths (estimated at seven million globally) and long-term illnesses it caused, as well as the incalculable damage to the world's economy - to the extent that it would not be inappropriate for nations to demand substantial reparations from Beijing.”
 

 

Covid WAS clearly the result of genetic engineering in China. If the inquiry refuses to consider this, the hearings are pointless, says leading scientist PROF ANGUS DALGLEISH

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PROFESSOR ANGUS DALGLEISH: If the Covid Inquiry was genuinely interested in discovering the truth behind the...

 

[honeybee13]

It will be interesting to see how many of his medical colleagues agree.

It's also interesting how an oncologist like Prof Dalgleish is commenting on virology and epidemiology.