Should we trust Sunak or the next PM to fix the Country's problems? (title revised 24/10/22)

[honeybee13]

Sir John Kingman of L&G was with a HoL select committee yesterday, talking about the LDI model of investing pension scheme funds and why it was under pressure after the mini budget. He said:

 

Wrongly, nobody anticipated that the British government would choose to create such extraordinary instability in its own sovereign debt market

 

https://www.pensions-expert.com/Investment/L-G-blames-govt-for-LDI-crisis-and-backs-consultant-regulation

 

[theoldrouge]

Blackpool's FORGOTTEN - The homeless living rough next to a MIGRANT HOTEL

(Including Army Veteran)
absolutely seething 
 

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/blackpools-forgotten-the-homeless-living-rough-next-to-a-migrant-hotel/395081

[honeybee13]

It could be an unintended consequence, I suppose.

 

Who are you seething with?

[theoldrouge]

Unintended consequence?
Absolutely not ,these people have entered the country ILLEGALLY 
and yet are given preferential treatment over legal citizens including those who have served their country 
I am seething with this current new labour government 

[honeybee13]

It's not illegal to be an asylum seeker though, is it?

 

So if the Conservatives are New Labour, what does that make Labour?

[honeybee13]

This is good from Tim Loughton MP. Tweet by James O'Brien.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

7 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

Unintended consequence?
Absolutely not ,these people have entered the country ILLEGALLY 
and yet are given preferential treatment over legal citizens including those who have served their country 
I am seething with this current new labour government 

 

 

Putting aside for a moment that this seems to ONLY be on the GBnews feed, and appears little more than dog whistle hate mongering to their couple thousand xenophobic base,

 

So @theoldrouge 

are you seething at the populist guv for having British homeless on the streets, let alone voting to leave British kids hungry?

me too x20

or are you seething at the populist guv for not processing asylum seekers quickly enough and returning the barely 20% or so who don't pass, despite Patel and Bravermans worst efforts, and integrating the other 80% as valued, working,  tax paying citizens?

me to

or are you seething at the Brexiters for putting us in a situation where we cant return (if there are more than a handful?) economic migrants/asylum seekers as we have no agreements?

me too

or are you seething at the poopulist guv for wasting some much taxpayer money on their VIPals and trying to give tax breaks to millionaires and giving tax breaks to profiteering energy companies?

me too x10

 

Edited November 23, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

29 million pounds in VIP lane profits to a populist pal

How many people would that feed and home?

 

"The leaked documents, which were produced by the bank HSBC, appear to contradict that statement. They state that Mone’s husband, the Isle of Man-based financier Douglas Barrowman, was paid at least £65m in profits from PPE Medpro, and then distributed the funds through a series of offshore accounts, trusts and companies."

 

Revealed: Tory peer Michelle Mone secretly received £29m from ‘VIP lane’ PPE firm | Michelle Mone | The Guardian

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

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Documents suggest husband passed on money from PPE Medpro, which secured £200m contracts after Mone lobbied ministers

 

 

That would seem to be £65 million pounds+ in profits from a £200 million VIP lane contract ...

at British taxpayer expense

[theoldrouge]

8 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

It's not illegal to be an asylum seeker though, is it?

 

 

Oh dear I must have forgotten that they are fleeing war torn France

[theoldrouge]

1 hour ago, tobyjugg2 said:

Corrected

 

Putting aside for a moment that this seems to ONLY be on the ever more popular GBnews 

 

So @theoldrouge 

are you seething at the new labour guv for having British homeless on the streets, let alone voting to leave British kids hungry?

me too x20

or are you seething at the new labour guv for not prioritising army vets with PTSD

me to

or are you seething at the Remoaners for putting us in a situation where we cant return (if there are more than a handful?) economic migrants/asylum seekers as we have no agreements?

me too

or are you seething at the new labour guv for wasting some much taxpayer money on their VIPals and trying to give tax breaks to millionaires and giving tax breaks to profiteering energy companies?

me too x10

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Nope

 

If remainers had had their say, or the Brexitish had been true to their claims, we would be able to send even EU citizens back if they weren't supporting themselves, as we could before Brexit - simple fact

 

If labour were in power, schoolkids would have been fed, and billions would NOT have been wasted in pal profits or utterly cretinous economic 'policies that brought our economy to the brink

 

Would the same people have been homeless - almost certainly far less (and the populists moving them on and simply not counting them - doesn't count as a count)

Edited November 23, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

54 minutes ago, theoldrouge said:

Oh dear I must have forgotten that they are fleeing war torn France

 

They're fleeing from places like Iran, Syria and Afghanistan and a high percentage of them are granted asylum, so they're not illegal.

 

There's no law that says they can't leave France to cross the channel.

 

Since Brexit, there's no agreement to send people who aren't asylum seekers back to the EU country they were in before Britain. The UK let the Dublin agreement lapse.

 

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/top-10-facts-about-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/

 

[theoldrouge]

A high percentage are granted asylum??
 

27000 arrived last year less than 1000 have had their applications processed 
Its predicted 53000 will arrive this year 
so in your view less than 1000 in 80000 is a high percentage?
 

the stat’s today will tell us where the majority are coming from 

[honeybee13]

Your figures don't take into account that the asylum process takes over a year as it's almost ground to a halt.

 

'27000 arrived last year less than 1000 have had their applications processed'

[tobyjugg2]

2 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

A high percentage are granted asylum??
 

27000 arrived last year less than 1000 have had their applications processed 
Its predicted 53000 will arrive this year 
so in your view less than 1000 in 80000 is a high percentage?
 

the stat’s today will tell us where the majority are coming from 

 

1 hour ago, honeybee13 said:

Your figures don't take into account that the asylum process takes over a year as it's almost ground to a halt.

 

'27000 arrived last year less than 1000 have had their applications processed'

 

 

and that last I saw over 80% were successful, with it running at 76% of even initial applictions (of the small number processed) successful to June this year alone, 

and that refusals were the reverse with the UK as part of the EU (eg 2004 88% refused asylum)

- So even rabid xenophobes were actually 'better off' (sic) with the UK part of the EU

 

So @theoldrouge

Was you post incompetent - in that you didn't even basic fact check and you didn't know that?

or dishonest - you knew that and hoped no-one else did (LOL aka dishonest and incompetent?)

 

. also for your information, homelessness and British children in poverty have increased markedly since Brexit/under the populists

 

Simple fact

The ONLY people who benefit from Brexit are the 'financiers who bet against the UK and its taxpayers, those who want to hide their illicit money in UK tax havens and potentially freeports, those who want slave labour with no rights whatsoever, and those who want to profit from polluting our once green and pleasant land for personal profit.

- not even racists and xenophobes.

 

If you disagree, give some significant evidence to the contrary. (and not the odd person who may have found a niche and made good, I'm talking about significant numbers of people other than the enemies of the British people noted above and at the bottom)

 

Fishermen - nope

Farmers - Nope

Exporters - nope

Car industry - nope

Tech industry - Nope

Educational institutions - nope

British people - NOPE

 

John redwood and pals betting against the UK economy - Yep, bigtime

Populist pals cheating the taxpayer for useless and over priced PPE - Yep, bigtime

UK tax havens - yep, bigtime

 

Edited November 24, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Sunak in a speech after winning The Spectator’s  ‘Comeback of the Year’ award.   “I want to thank my friends, my family… and the bond markets”.

[honeybee13]

The bond markets bit is supposed to be a joke, is it?

[tobyjugg2]

That is the question ...

Yes and No I think is the answer

[tobyjugg2]

23 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

The bond markets bit is supposed to be a joke, is it?

 

tried to message you :

honeybee13 can't receive new messages from your users group.

 

Edited November 25, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

I don't know the answer, TJ. I've reported this and will let you know when I have an answer.

[tobyjugg2]

Truss and Johnson join backbench rebellion over windfarms - live

WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.UK

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It marks former PM’s first major parliamentary interventions since leaving office

 

 

chip chip chip away

Edited November 25, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Thoughts from David Allen Green on Owen Paterson going to the ECHR.

 

Why we should cheer Owen Paterson taking his case to the European Court of Human Rights – The Law and Policy Blog

DAVIDALLENGREEN.COM

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29th November 2022 The former member of parliament Owen Paterson is taking a case to the European Court of Human Rights. There is nothing...

 

[honeybee13]

From the FT yesterday.

 

'Almost two years after Britain left the EU, economists have reached a consensus: Brexit has significantly worsened the country’s economic performance.'

 

archive.ph

ARCHIVE.PH

 

[tobyjugg2]

aka none of the fantasy economics of the ERG and Brexhitish have done anything except damage the British economy and way of life

... but the ERG and Brexit doners have got richer betting that would happen ..

[tobyjugg2]

Be interesting to see what happens here given sexual misconduct allegations

- unconfirmed rumor that he asked to join populist Con party when kicked out labour - but was told simply not corrupt enough

 

Why is Chester having a by-election? - Cheshire Live

WWW.CHESHIRE-LIVE.CO.UK

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The people of Chester will head to the polls today to vote in a new MP