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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Right i am about about to file a claim at court for the remainder of the charges that TSB owe me.

 

:?: Should I attach the spreadsheet I originally sent and highlight that £750 has been credited to my account and I am claiming the balance remaining?

 

Also, i have never included the interest on my spreadsheet that i was charged on the statements. Is this what the 8% calculation covers or should I be adding that to the spreadsheet plus the 8% charge.

 

Would be very grateful if anyone could answer the above questions so i can submit my claim asap.

 

Am definitely going for this but am now a very nervous claimaint!!!

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See my post 47 on your thread. Yes the 8% covers statutory interest and you cannot claim this on charges that have been paid prior to the filing of the claim and show the deduction calculation somewhere (it does not matter how you do this as long it is clear).

 

You can the claim the 8% on the balance of charges.

 

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I did read your post 47 but I was wondering whether i should submit the whole spreadsheet and state that out of the above amount owed, £750 has been paid. (and I am waiting until next week to submit my claim as £60 will be added to it on 1st Feb!!!).

 

Thanks for your comment on the interest, i wont be adding what i have been charged along the way but will show the 8% once i submit the claim.

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Answering your first paragraph - yes.

 

Just to be clear on the interest, if your claim is for £1,000 and they have paid you £750, you can only claim the 8% on the balance, i.e. the £250.

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Oh I am stuck!!!!! I have sorted my spreadsheet to show the amount owed after TSB have paid £750 into my account so thats done. Went onto the online moneyclaim site, but I cant see anything in the templates library that shows me how to complete the online form. I have found the court bundle zipped document but that has gone right over my head and I am confused!!!!! Has anyone out there got the patience to deal with a complete dimbo and help me please?? Sorry!

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Hi

Link below will help with your Particulars of Claim:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bank-templates-library/34887-5-money-claim-line.html

 

Are you stuck on any other parts?

 

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OK i have clicked on that link, and i think i am supposed to use the wording given there but i need to know how to lodge the claim with court? From what i am reading it is better not to do it online - is that correct?

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Yes if you intend posting, cut and post the POCs into hard copy of N1 (use the PDF) and as per the link in my post 59 complete the remainder of your N1 and attach a copy of your charge schedule and a cheque and post off.

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HELP PLEASE....

Have finally got my head around completing the N1 but can anyone clarify the difference between the overdraft interest and the s69 charges (copied from the help document). On my spreadsheet I only have the 8% interest calculated and am not sure where this should be inserted on the court document.

 

Charges £xxx.xx

Overdraft Interest £xxx.xx

Interest under s.69 County Courts Act 1984 £xxx.xx

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I didnt realise i could add that amount!

I am now stuck on the 8% amount my calculations are as follows:

+ £1047.50 Actual charges

+ £83.26 8%

- £750 Paid by TSB

£380.76 Owed to me

 

But how do i work out what portion of the balance owed to me is charges and what portion is the 8%? Sorry was never very good at maths!!!

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As the TSB have paid £750 into my account, I am submitting my court N1, attaching the spreadsheet which shows the full amount owed (including the 8%) with £750 deducted from the total.

 

Because I cannot get it to tally up, I am not breaking down the actual charges from the 8% on the N1 form -if this is incorrect, can anyone shout now please before i submit it to the court.

 

If it is wrong, i dont see how i can do this.

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Deduct the most recent charges that equate to the £750, this will probably result in claiming one partial charge to get it dead on the £750. This then has the minimum effect on your interest calculation.

 

Show your interest deduction calculation so that it does not subsequently get deducted again when the matter settles.

 

You calculation in post 67 is not quiet right. It is 8% per annum not a straight 8% of the total charges.

 

Have you used this spreadsheet, it calculates it all for you?

http://www.cag-files.co.uk/barracad/Spreadsheets/England/Simple-charges-calc.xls

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Have finally got my head around this (I think). FYI I did use the simple spreadsheet that was attached in the above thread.

So how should i submitt this to the court? I am thinking of sending two spreadsheets, one showing the original charges with the 8% and the second showing those charges but with the £750 that has already been paid to me in a different colour. There is a partial charge to make this amount correct - how should i show that? Is this definitely ok to send to the court this way? I dont want to get this far for the paperwork to be wrong.:confused:

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HELP WITH FINAL QUESTION BEFORE I SUBMIT N1 TO COURT PLEASE

 

Further to my earlier thread, I have decided to submit both spreadsheets as attachments to the N1. One final point i need to clarify though, under the value section of the N1 I have listed the following:

+£1047.50 Charges

-£750 paid into my account by Lloyds TSB

=£297.50 Due

+£59.77 Interest under s.69 county courts act 1984 (THIS IS THE 8%)

+£50.00 court fee

£407.50 TOTAL CLAIMED

 

However, on the helpsheet for the N1 form it says

 

"Plus interest pursuant to s.69 county courts act 1984 from date of issue to date of judgement/settlement at £xxxx per day (enter daily rate here - charges + od interest) x 0.00022 = pence per day) or at such rate and for such periods as the court deems just"

I have left this paragraph out completely on my N1 form as i didnt understand it. Will i be putting my claim in doubt if I dont include this?

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