Mutating Corona Virus

[tobyjugg2]

another perspective on the Japanese cluster model and the social framework

 

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/04/28/commentary/japan-commentary/covid-19-strategy-japan-model/#.XrZl4cDTVPY

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3 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

Michael Veale from UCL has analysed the NHSX app. It seems to have a lot of problems.

 

https://osf.io/preprints/lawarxiv/6fvgh

 

yes, Ive been looking at it via github

 

Taken In parts, the app 'sellers can argue that each bit doesn't specifically upload blah blah blah

 

 

 

But as the key is generated centrally, and BT unique identifiers are used, the centrally stored whole  is (as stated if you look deeper) a fully identifiable social graphing application

 

eg It looks, tracks and logs who meets who, for how long, and where.

 

... With not even a hint of ACTUAL testing for Covid-19 so far. Although they will probably drop a nominal 'appropriate testing' somewhere in it.

 

 

 

 

Also interesting that the Tory message seems to be dropping the 'Protect our NHS' soundbite .....

 

 

Edited May 10, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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8 hours ago, snowdragon said:

Do not  see how  they going to let   children back    to school, specially  the  younger ones  as   they do not understand   social  distancing, all they   be  wanting to do is hug  their  friends  who they have not seen for  along time!

How  are  teachers   going to  keep  their distance   from  each other,   the parents  at  the  schools gates  etc  etc!

 

 

Too true - especially as even our local Morrisons staff can't.

Every time I go to Morrisons there is a cluster of staff in very close proximity to each other who you have to try and edge round to get 2 meters away

 

 

8 hours ago, snowdragon said:

 

Also,   what most  don't get is  you are  allowed out  to go places now but not see  your  family?   bit   double dutch!

 

The only rule i can understand is stay 6 feet away or be fines 100 quid

(that bluetooth social monitoring app is going to generate a fortune)

 

 

8 hours ago, snowdragon said:

Think    they all need  go back to the  drawing board  and  start  again

 

 

Wish they could.

[tobyjugg2]

37 minutes ago, cjcregg said:

 

When you say 'left to die', by whom?

 

 

I would say whoever set the policies and practices that caused them to die away from intensive care, if intensive care would have prevented any of the cases (most likely).

 

Although there could be a number of more 'immediate' reasons and causes, if its just one person you are looking for, then obviously thats the PM - the person 'in charge'

 

I remember seeing a son on the news, talking about his father dying in bed at home unable to breath, while repeated calls to 111 over a number of days resulted in 'self isolate at home' responses.

Heartbreaking.

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, cjcregg said:

 

When you say 'left to die', by whom?

 

 

Don't you have quite a number of unanswered questions queued up on yourself that require response before you press others .. and expect a response ?

 

Now the example I gave would seem to be an example of someone being 'left to die'

It may be that the NHS was simply overwhelmed at the time, it could have been other reasons, but he apparently slowly, horribly, choked to death in his own home while his son tried to get help.

 

Still awaiting your responses to questions raised.

.. well other than you choose what you reply to ...

In which case, unto others ....

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

anyway, for those who are still confused about Johnson 'update'

 

Here it is summarised in 18 seconds

 

 

 

 

and in more detail, but you will end up more confused

 

 

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Edited May 11, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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This is a scorcher

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2vyuQprnQ

 

 

So according to a Tory MP - as long as you meet people and chat at 2 meters while shopping .....

... like he does

 

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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For those who haven't seen this but there are all sorts of links with this that and the other that will need further investigation.

 

Having said that I am seeing some truly disturbing reports of what is coming out of autopsies of those who have sadly died.

 

This thing really does seem to generate a widespread and devastating attack the body, and especially the organs refereed in the link.

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-ace2-men/men-have-high-levels-of-enzyme-key-to-covid-19-infection-study-finds-idUKKBN22M0UC

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Well after Trump pointing the finger at the Chinese claiming it was generated in a Chinese lab ...

 

 

Looks like the Yanks are going to try to claim intellectual property rights on it ..

 

"the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Homeland Security, is expected to accuse Beijing of working to steal from American institutions intellectual property and health information related to coronavirus vaccines and treatment through hacking and other illicit means and may come within days"

 

(Wall Street Journal)

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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1 hour ago, hightail said:

I don't understand why the media is shouting that people can 'now' return to work.  The advice is and has always been that those who can work from home should while those who can't should continue to go to work.  Nothing has changed. 

 

??

 

The lockdown and 'stay at home' was and still should be to prevent the spread of the virus by maintaining that 2 meter distance.

Many factories and workplaces simply weren't, aren't and economically possibly cant be set up to 'work' with that social distancing maintained

 

Look at the cost issues with running planes and public transport while maintaining even a one meter distance.

Look at the health and safty/cost issues of travelling to work over a distance in a work van alone, rather than travelling 100 miles as a team and staying in lodgings ... etc

 

 

If your workplace could maintain that distancing, or implemented other measures ??? to maintain the employees safety and minimise the opportunities for the Virus to spread,

then yes, like key workers who continued working despite NOT meeting those criteria (and NOT being tested) - the message was - continue to work.

 

 

 

Some of course are doing well from it ...

At least if you have a Tory MP lobbying for the emergency powers to be used to get you a contract without competition

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/11/healthcare-firm-advised-by-owen-paterson-won-133m-coronavirus-testing-contract-unopposed

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, hightail said:

My brother is.  He has a family business which supplies things which are in demand with parents while they’re home schooling.  He and the rest of his household are working very long days getting stuff out.  He hasn’t raised prices and he’s absorbing increased delivery costs.  Not everyone is profiteering.

 

I know that - there are some heroes who are other than the oft stated ones, and some real heros who get little mention.

 

Oh - and my OH and daughter in law are both NHS staff.

 

My daughter has continued working throughout from home while looking after her 5 year old.

 

One son in law has managed to get another driving job after eventually being 'furloughed or laid off'

.. he got the other job in the first week while he was waiting to see what a major company would decide to do..

 

Other son in law started back last week on smaller jobs, where teams weren't required and preparing jobs for larger teams while other company members remain furloughed.

 

NONE have been tested.

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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9 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

I never thought I'd sing Piers Morgan's praises, but he's doing really well on challenging ministers at the moment. On Good Morning Britain, he made Andrew Bridgen MP look very silly over meeting both his sons together in the park. Piers pointed out it was against the rules as per the PM.

 

Today he tied Edwina Currie up in knots about being able to have a cleaner but not see his sons. She ended up saying his younger son could be his cleaner and Piers said that was against the published rules too.

 

 

I largely agree although he does get tiresome after a while just yelling his point at people while switching their sound off rather than pressing for a proper answer and giving them chance to give it - but without avoidance and prevarication.

 

-  Some of those politicians never would give a straight answer and expect just a free marketing session of course, but they should be clearly shown as doing that.

 

 

Long past time these politicians with their cleaners and preferential testing, and going out doing what they like were properly dealt with - in fact made examples of due to their prominent positions.

Edited May 12, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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2 hours ago, brassnecked said:

For a breather in all the confusion, have a read of this, Johnson#s 60 pages are full of garbage. They still seem to be clinging to their original Pandemic Flu Plan that is useless

 

 

It seems to me they are back on the herd immunity path they never left (they never really actually took any other path did they) as they are opening up workplaces/trains etc with few if any of those sent back out having been tested, and no real idea of how widespread either the virus or immunity is.

 

Germany and others are already seeing those lessons.

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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40 minutes ago, hightail said:

As for the rest of it - who knows.  Apparently I can drive for miles and have a picnic in a crowded park but can’t visit my son and speak to him from two metres away across his garden gate.

 

 

THAT is at the very least one of, if not THE Number ONE issue that requires immediately answering and addressing.

Edited May 12, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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Correction: Not answering - needs changing.

 

Bloody stupid that you can stand in supermarket queues and isles 6 feet from strangers, travel on trains and buses and go to a beach on a sunny day hundreds of miles away,

but cant talk to your nearest and dearest at a safe distance

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

So is that

- not on their driveway, even if you've just dropped of shopping?

have you got to arrange you all to travel (them individually and separately) to meet at a park?

 

and not with them both together 10 feet away from you even if they are living together?

 

or even them each 6 feet from each other  despite both just getting up of a settee and 10 feet from you?

 

 

How does that work with trains to work? Are they set up to empower social distancing?

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

the pdf

The-Independent-SAGE-Report.pdf

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and heres the Tories back to 'rewarding' the NHS heroes and make them pay money as well as lives

 

While their rich mates get taxpayer funded contracts without oversight or competition

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-latest-treasury-rishi-sunak-deficit-tax-pay-freeze-pension-triple-lock-a9511336.html

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/11/healthcare-firm-advised-by-owen-paterson-won-133m-coronavirus-testing-contract-unopposed

 

 

No wonder they've 'lost' the protect the NHS banner

Edited May 13, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

and starmer has challenged Johnson on his attempts to re-write history (aka lie through his teeth)

 

i'll ref the telegraph :-)

 

Starmer calls Prime Minister back to Commons over inaccurate care homes claim

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/13/uk-lockdown-furlough-tax-increase-pension-coronavirus-boris/

 

and here he is in person tr-lying to rewrite history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4PeSRx8xbs

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

so who remembers this

No border in the Irish Sea

 

 

 

 

and where's that youtube vid of him claiming it would be an abomination or some such ?

Edited May 14, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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and Johnson continues to just try to rewrite history (aka LIE) through the Coronavirus pandemic

Even the lefties seem to be warming to Starmer holding Johnsons government to account in these dire times

 

 

 

 

 

 

and people should be considering exactly the events described here and the impact on care homes when considering the plans (LOL - 'plans) to return children to school

 

 

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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15 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

That's a good clip, TJ.

 

The British Medical Journal, BMJ, has a very good article about testing and tracking.

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1918

 

 

Its the crucial testing bit thats missing - leaving just trace and track ... and self diagnose

 

* People aren't tested when they come into the country

* Nurses aren't tested before returning to communities or anywhere

* Supermarket staff aren't tested before serving 100's of customers

* No plans to test teachers and teaching assistants before or during looking after children from multiple households

* The children aren't being tested before they are put in buildings with hundreds more children, who will each return to family homes

 

 

 

 

 

On the ironic side, outside the poorest regions it does seem to be Trump voting regions that are the clusters of new outbreaks as their governors took Trump at his word.

 

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/05/07/as-states-reopen-covid-19-is-spreading-into-even-more-trump-counties/

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/how-republicans-and-democrats-think-about-coronavirus/608395/

 

 

 

 

 

but never mind, Goves family can get tested on request ......

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

So, before we go into a little more detail/review the lies on

Approach

Shifting 'targets' to meet headlines rather than requirements

utter incompetence

 

 

Imagine that rather than test subjects in a restaurant, these are your 5/6 year old children in a school

with either they, their friends or the teachers/assistants being professionally tested  in any way ...

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGQEuuv9R6E

 

Edited May 16, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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correction

 

with Neither they, their friends or the teachers/assistants being professionally tested  in any way ...