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Nothing has changed The_Debt_Man with regards to defending a claim or the forum.....just follow the process.

 

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from the date on your claim form ...33 days

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Well sitting on your thread here ...the defence wont come to you Debt Man...you will have to move your mouse and look at other threads.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?190-Legal-Successes

 

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Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Maybe but i cant remember anything.

Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Maybe but i cant remember anything.

Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Default sums” – at least once a year ?

 

Why did you cease payments?

 

What was the date of your last payment?

 

I don't even know who its from as shop direct could be anything.

 

Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? Not that i know of.

 

Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? NO

 

 

 

I suppose thats all you can submit as a defence having no knowledge of any of it and very little advice above to guide us......but if they do turn up with all the paperwork that shows you made purchases from a catalogue...curtains Im afraid.

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Responding to your PM

 

Particulars of Claim

 

1) The Defendant entered into a consumer crediti Act 1974 regulated agreement with Shop Direct under account reference ********

(‘the Agreement’).

 

2) The Defendant failed to maintain the required payments and a default notice was served and not complied with.

 

3) The Agreement was later assigned to Claimant on 22/11/2012 and notice given to the Defendant.

 

4) Despite Repeated Requests for payment, the sum of £3,190.05 remains due and outstanding.

 

And the Claimant claims

a) The said sum of £3,190.05

b) Interest pursuant to s69 County Courts Act 1984 at the rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of issue

c) Costs

#####Defence######

 

The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature.The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made.

 

1. Paragraph 1 is denied.Whilst it is admitted I have held various catalogue agreements in the past, I have no recollection of ever entering into an agreement with Shop Direct and do not recognise the specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request pursuant to The Consumer Credit Act 1974.

 

2. Paragraph 2 is denied I have not been served with a Default Notice pursuant to sec87(1) the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

 

3. Paragraph 3 is denied. I am unaware of a legal assignment or Notice of Assignment pursuant to the Law and Property Act 1925 Section 136(1)

 

4. On receipt of this claim form , I the Defendant sent a request by way of a section 78 pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, for a copy of the agreement, the Claimant has yet to comply and remains in default of the said request.

 

5. A further request made via CPR 31.14 to the claimants solicitor, requesting disclosure of documents on which the Claimant is basing their claim. The claimant has not complied.

 

6. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to:

 

a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and;

b) show how the Defendant has reached the amount claimed for and;

c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) of the Consumer Credit Act 1974

d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim

 

7. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed

 

8. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.

 

 

Check the above for accuracy...edit to suit..I would insert the dates you made your requests (CPR/CCA)

 

Is it true that they have made repeated requests for payment ? or was this claim form the first you had heard of them?

 

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Just a quick question...

 

Is there any links to the full process on what goes on at the courts from a defendants side.

 

I've been reading a lot and everything seems to show the process from a claimants point of view.

 

What I'm trying to find out is what goes on at the courts end once we submit our defence before 4pm.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?356814-The-Process-of-Litigation..-Court-Claims-Defences

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I've received a letter from Lowell Solicitors.

 

It seems like all the CCA Requests, CPR 31.14 and defence has fallen on deaf ears :(

 

A court has not yet seen any details yet..you are still in preparation

 

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Well not quite......you complete the directions questionnaire this then allocates the claim to track and your local county court.

 

The court will then set the directions on what each party must do and by what date (disclosure of all documents and witness statement in support of) the claimant will be told to pay a hearing fee.This is the Notice of Allocation in preparation for trial with date..

 

Once you have submitted all your documents and statements then the claim will be reviewed by the case manager...if either party fails to comply with directions you risk your claim/defence being struck out...like wise if the claimant fails to pay the hearing fee

 

So the judge does not see anything until the day of trial...assuming it gets that far and each party comply with directions.

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It means what I have posted in my last post...allocation.

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All parties are expected to participate in mediation unless of course its not your debt or the claim is statute barred.Its a formality really but allows the Claimant opportunity in offering settlement without proceeding.

 

In the event that mediation fails it then proceeds to allocation and directions that both parties must comply with...its usually at this stage that the claimant cant comply or its not financially feasible to continue subject to the value of the hearing fee and debt......so nothing is set in stone until the day of the trial.

 

Im not sure why you seem seem to be obsessed with the thought of attending a hearing or going to court...dentists are far more frightening than facing up to this claimant...who in most cases does not even turn up for the trial or discontinues the day before......you need to keep reading to see the usual outcome.

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Well the other party is the Solicitor with regards to the DQ.

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On receipt, the file will be referred to a procedural judge who will allocate the claim to track and give case management directions.

Details of the judge's directions will be sent to you in notice of allocation.

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Directions will be Given in the Notice of Allocation and the dates you must comply...this will be preparing your standard disclosure and drafting a witness statement.

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Standard directions as on all the other threads we deal with.....

 

The only 3 points that concern you which you must comply with are ....

 

 

6) Each party must deliver to the other party and to the court office copies of all documents on which that party intends to rely at the hearing no later than fourteen days before the hearing.

 

9) The documents to be sent to the other party and the court must include the statements of all witnesses

 

(including the parties themselves).

 

10)Witness statements must:

 

a)Start with the name of the case and the claim number;

 

b)State the full name and address of the witness;

 

c)Set out the witness's evidence clearly in numbered paragraphs on numbered pages;

 

d)End with this paragraph: 'I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true.' (or words to

 

that effect); and

 

e)be signed by the witness and dated.

 

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I've still not managed to get through to the court as it either gives a message saying they are busy and to try again later or just rings.

 

I think I should just put together a witness statement now or I'll end up running out of time. That would be wise

 

Surely if they bid not pay the fee I would have heard something from the courts and they wouldn't leave it until I get there on the day to tell me.

 

Normally yes...but it has been known.

 

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I received a witness statement today from Lowell.

 

I've only glanced over it but it seems like they have now come up with some old catalogue statements/agreement.

 

 

So it seems like the reason they didn't comply with the cca and CPR requests is because they wanted to put them into the court at the last minute .

 

Nothing I can really do now :(

 

Glad your not coming into battle with me TDM :wink: scan up what you have including WS and exhibits.

 

 

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Will run through your uploads later TDM...not forgotten you :wink:

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Hearing date is the 6th September and all documents and witness statements should be filed and served not less than 14 days before ?

 

Have you filed a witness statement ?

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Well the last 2 pages of your thread discusses the point that you must submit your witness statement 14 days pre hearing.

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Get one submitted ASAP and hope it accepted...you can email a copy to their sols and drop it in at your court tomorrow.

 

Looking at their WS one glaring error is they rely on a reconstituted version of the agreement...the court directions order all original documents must be disclosed....not a recon.

 

 

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Yes but you was going to use that as your initial defence... you had not got to witness statement stage.....we advised otherwise.....a defence is a defence and a witness statement is a witness statement two different beasts.

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Take a look at one I have drafted.......

Witness statement Lobster.pdf

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Obviously it will have to be edited to suit..its for another claim:wink:

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Well your defence point 9 stands .....if your agreement is pre April 2007 then a recon cant be used to enforce the agreement...a recon can only used to reply to a section 77/78 request...as section 127 of the CCA1974 applies to pre 2007 agreements.The changes made by the CCA2006 which repealed parts of CCA1974 was not retrospective...only for agreements post April 2007.

 

Your point 10 is nonsense...lose it...they are the assignee and bought the debt so its irrelevant that you never entered into an agreement with them.

 

As for their points 11/12 well you know whether they sent them or not but both are irrelevant to the claim...they have either provided a valid Notice of Assignment or not.

 

I would include points 1/2/3 from the example I have provided...they are applicable to all claims made by a DCA.

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