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    • To turn out to the action that you should take. You should not stand for any nonsense. You should decide absolutely that you are going to return the car. Of course you made a big mistake by paying for it by debit card. Although slightly better than paying by cash or paying by bank transfer. Is the vehicle currently stored off-road? The first thing you must do is you must get an independent report. You must write to big motoring world immediately. You still are within your 30 days. Write a letter of rejection. Tell them that you are rejecting the vehicle for a full refund. It is defective. Give them a list of the defects which have occurred so far and explain to BMW that as they apparently refuse to accept your own account of the defects on the vehicle even though they are supported by photographic evidence, you are now booking in for an independent inspection by an authorised VW dealer. This inspection will cost £XXX and you will be seeking to recover that sum from them when the vehicle is returned. Tell them that your decision to reject the vehicle's absolute. You're not interested in any repair offers. You have read sufficiently about them on the Internet to understand that they are not to be trusted. Tell them that as soon as you have had the independent inspection which you fully expect will confirm the faults, you provide them with a copy of the report together with a bill for the inspection and if they will not make immediate arrangements to recover the vehicle, to refund you the cost of the vehicle and the cost of the inspection – together with any other expenses reasonably incurred [list out any expenses such as insurance, road fund tax – et cetera et cetera], then you will start an action against them and without any further notice. Tell them that you are currently storing the vehicle off-road and unless they make immediate arrangements to collect it at their expense will also start adding a daily storage charge of £10 per day and this will be added to the court claim which you will be making against them. If you're happy with this approach then book the inspection immediately. Come back here when you have a date for it and we will then complete this draft letter and send it to them and the draft letter will also contain a deadline after which you will begin a legal action. Let me tell you now that if you aren't prepared to go this route, then you may as well give up because we are all wasting your time and you better accept the slap and be more careful in future. I see that you are griping a bit about £240 cost of an independent report. As I have said, you will in all likelihood recover this although it will take a court action. However, I'm afraid that this is the kind of thing that you will have to accept when you buy a vehicle without first researching the dealer and also you buy it at a considerable distance from your own home. Although you are well within the 30 days, today we are pretty well at the end of 26 February. I suggest you get a move on  
    • Thanks Dave and JK.   So I need to get an email off to the court ASAP?  This has been assigned to Cardiff County Court now so I'm guessing this will need to go them now rather than to the Northampton bulk processing centre? Is there a template for this email I can use?  I just want to make sure I'm including all the right things. Thanks CD
    • Firstly, in response to your questions: If you are rejecting the vehicle for defects then it is certainly the responsibility to cover all of the expenses incurred in returning the car to them and frankly they should be responsible for the collection. The consumer rights act does not refer to this and so we have to resort to the common law of contract in respect of which, the seller will be responsible for all of the losses/expenses incurred as a direct result of their breach of contract. In terms of recovering a rate per mile for the use of the vehicle which you have had in the first 30 days – the wisdom seems to be that no they can't. After 30 days it's a different matter. However, once again the consumer rights act is silent on this but the motoring ombudsman seems to say that they are not entitled to recover anything for the usage of the vehicle during the first 30 days if it has been rejected for defects during that period. Once again the consumer rights act is silent. However, it will be prudent for you to provide your own inspection. If you haven't understood yet, Big Motoring World is a car dealership which is self-serving in its interests and is not customer facing and is turning out in respect of customers who buy defective vehicles, to be pretty untrustworthy and very defensive. I have no doubt that lots of customers by vehicles very successfully and are happy but what we are seeing here and also on the Facebook complaints page is that when things go wrong – Big Motoring World are totally unsupportive. You could try to back if you want – but referring to the above point, you should get your own independent inspection from a reputable source. A VW specialist dealer. The information we have is that if you simply return it to BMW, they may carry out some kind of inspection and they may then report back to you that there was no such fault or else they will say that they have discovered a fault but they repaired it and that you are not obliged to take the car back. It would not be a good idea to take this vehicle back. You absolutely need to get rid of it and give your business a some other company which is apparently more reliable – although you need to do some solid research. To add to this – and I suppose you won't be happy with this criticism – I never understand anybody who buys a vehicle a hundred miles away or so. It is asking for trouble. So many people do this and a lot of them come a cropper simply because of the mileages involved in returning the car even for a minor repair. Here is a video for you to watch. It may be too late for you but others will visit this thread – hopefully before they buy their vehicles – and they will learn something about how to survive the trauma of a used car purchase. also, make sure that you have read and understood our used car guide. You won't really enjoy what you read, very much that you can consider that they are lessons for the future – and of course anybody else who visits this thread should benefit from your unfortunate experience.
    • Yes, if she outs you it should take her out of the loop. However I don't know for sure, because I understand there's a time limit to do this and don't know if its a statutory thing under POFA or just someting the they make up. Maybe LFI could comment?
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      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
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Ida could you perhaps help me out a little. I am at a bit of a loss what to do.


My council produced an outstanding CT bill from 2009, and after a little bit of a dispute I agreed to pay in instalments. I paid my first instalment, then I have missed my second one, with the end result being my bill got sent to Charles Anderson. It turns out when I made my first payment to them, they applied it to my current bill, so it looked like I had never paid anything after making the arrangement. Now I am always in constant contact with my CT office, and I have repeatedly explained to them that I have ADHD and difficulties because of that. I certainly havent tried to avoid the problem, I just need them to be more help rather than hindrance.


Anyway, the be all and end all is that they are not willing to budge on this and I am obviously going to have to fight them. However, I have Charles Anderson breathing down my neck now and need some advice on how to deal with them. I would obviously like the council to act more appropriately, but that isnt going to happen in 2 weeks.


What can I do in the meantime? I feel I am being bullied here, and considering mental health problems, should not be victimised like this.

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Hi Madscot sorry for the late reply,


Ive made a thread of your own so can be seen.


Can you confirm if you have recieved a charge for payment?


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Its fine Ida, I wont give out grief to anyone who offers their time for people :D I am grateful.


Regarding the current situation, I got myself a charity to act as an advocate, and we have the council holding proceedings to give us time to sort it out.


The council in question is North Lanarkshire and as far as I am concerned they are nothing short of bullies. Throughout my adult life I have fought with them and been penalised by them, both financially and mentally.


This particular bill had a 10% surcharge added to it first, and now it has further charges incurred by Charles Anderson.


Throughout my dealings with NLC, I have repeatedly told them I have problems and asked them for help but they have absolutely no provisions in place for dealing with people who have mental health issues. Apparantly if you cant see it, it doesnt count.

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The amount due will have increased as there is an automatic penalty of 10% if a summary warrant has been granted against you.


Once a Summary Warrant has been granted as has in your case, the debt will be passed to the Sheriff Officers, you should contact the sheriff officers and come to a repayment arrangement. Make sure you come to an arrangement that you will be able to stick to. It is better to pay a little on a regular basis over a longer period of time than to try to pay too much, leave yourself short and miss payments.


As Ida has asked, have you received a 'Charge for Payment'.


If you have you will get time to pay these arrears, and are you up to date with your current council tax.

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I am not sure if I have a "charge for payment" as I dont know what that is. I do have a summary warrant but I have basically fought them and had a hold put on the case.


As for my current council tax, its a mess as well. I have been waiting for more than 2 months on a decision on my CT, and nothing seems to be coming, so I just keep getting these demands and unpaid bills I dont understand. I have filled out their forms and phoned them to try and hurry them but still no result.


Everytime I ask for help from them to make this less complicated I just get refused.

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I had/am having a dispute over council tax myself.

One thing I always do though is use email/letters to communicate where possible as it leaves a paper trail you can refer back to. Phonecalls are notorious for not being honored or traced if needed etc.


A letter or email (used to follow a phone call if you need to phone) allows you more time to plan what you say with any support you may be receiving.


Oh sounds picky but do not use the word vicitimisation. In your case it is not accurate. Disability Discrimination are the words you should be using. :)

Getting this right opens up, I imagine, a lot more room to maneuver if it comes down to the nitty gritty. Discrimination on the grounds of disability opens up all sorts of avenues so it is important to get this right.


FYI - Victimisation is receiving less favorable treatment due to you using a statutory right or procedure (Or aiding someone else that does) eg being bullied if you lodge a complaint or being a witness for someone that lodges a complaint would be some examples of victimisation.


Hope that helps a little, im sure someone with more knowledge will be along soon








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Thanks for the comments Sabre. On re-reading my documents, the summary warrant was granted against me in 2009, and this is now a Charge for Payment they have issues. Just to give you guys an update, my council are behaving like spolied children. Ive had word from my advocate that the council basically arent speaking to them and CA are just restating what they said before.


This basically all happened because I became self employed and Ive had over 1k in council tax demands since October. So much for helping people.

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