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    • Which Court have you received the claim from ? Civil National Business CEntre Name of the Claimant ? Lowell Portfolio i Ltd How many defendant's  joint or self ? Self   Date of issue –  15 Feb 2024 Particulars of Claim What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim?  The claim is for the sum of £922 due by the Defendant under and agreement regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 for a Capital One account with an account reference of [number with 16 digits] The Defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a Default Notice was served under s.87(1) of the Consumer Credit ACt 1974 which has not been complied with. The debt was legally assigned to the claimant on 16-06-23, notice of which has been given to the defendant. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of the issue of these proceedings in the sum of £49.15 The Claimant claims the sum of £972 What is the total value of the claim? £1112 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? I dont know the details of the PAPDC to know if it was pursuant to paragraph 3, but I did receive a Letter of Claim with a questionaire/form to fill. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? no Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned/purchaser Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I was aware, I'm not certain I received a 'Notice of Assignment' from Capital One but may have been informed the account had been sold without such a title on the letter? Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not since the debt purchase, and not from Capital One. Why did you cease payments? I can't remember - it was the tail end of the pandemic and I may not have had enough income to keep up payments - I am self-employed and work in the event industry - at that time. I also had a bank account that didn't allow direct debits and may have just forgotten payments and became annoyed at fines for late payments. What was the date of your last payment? Appears to be 20/4/2022 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No Here is my Defence: Defence - 1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had an agreement with Capital One but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request.. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. I am unaware of having been served with a Default Notice pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. I am unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment pursuant to the Law and Property Act 1925 Section 136(1) 5. The Defendant has sent a request by way of a section 78 pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, for a copy of the agreement, the Claimant has yet to comply and remains in default of said request. 6. A further request has been made via CPR 31.14 to the Claimants solicitor, requesting disclosure of documents on which the Claimant is basing their claim. The Claimant has not complied and to date nothing has been received. 7. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to: a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and; b) show how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed for and; c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 88 CCA1974 d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim 8. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed 9. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of section 136 of the Law of Property Act and section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. .................. Please note that I had to write a defence quite quickly as I hit the deadline. At the time of writing the defence, I hadn't been able to find correspondence from Capital One, but had since found default letter etc. I submitted CCA request and CPR 31.14. However, I didn't get any proof of postage or use registered post for the CPR (an oversight) but did with the CCA request. I received a pack which included a letter from Overdales, going over the defence I'd filed, as well as letters of Lowells and reprints of letters from Capital One. But I have no idea if this pack is in response to the CCA request or the CPR ! I would have expected two separate responses ... although I do know they are both the same company. Looking over the pack today, and looking through old emails .. I find some discrepancies in the Capital One default letters (notice of default and Claim of default). They are both dated *before* an email I have stating that a default can be avoided. The one single page of agreement sent (so not the full agreement) has a 16 digit number at the top in small print, next to 'Capital One' which corresponds to a number called 'PURN' printed at the top of each of the 10 pages of ins and outs of the account (they're not official statements, but a list of monthly goings) yet no mention anywhere on either of the account number. I cant really scan them at the moment - I can later tomorrow, but that will be after the mediation call I'm sure. I guess I may be on my own for this mediation ... I am not certain the CCA request has been satisfied .. or if the CPR has been . And then I appear to have evidence that the Default notices provided are fabricated ? Yet, I do have (elsewhere ... not at home) Default letters from Capital One I can check ..
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I think you have been very lucky to have received your deposit in the first instance. Second, you may have been too hasty in filing a claim without pre action communication warning of legal proceedings, interest and costs, and allowing time for a reply. It may have been unreasonable to expect a refund in the short space of time that was allowed.

 

If you want to proceed for the costs alone then you need to satisfy the court that they were reasonably incurred and that all proper steps were taken to avoid litigation.

 

All the points you raise about meeting them in court are of little or no relevance. Bear in mind that if they succeed on these points with their application to set aside the judgment then they are properly entitled to their costs which may exceed the amount you claim is properly incurred.

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25th August 2006,

I have contacted the company several times

It has been 12 days since the money went out of my bank account.

 

 

then

 

26th October 2006

Entered judgement via Moneyclaim for the court fee and interest.

 

Even working backwards, and without the OP stating precise dates, it is reasonable to infer that the 28 days deemed acceptable by CPR were complied with.

 

Bear in mind that if they succeed on these points with their application to set aside the judgment then they are properly entitled to their costs which may exceed the amount you claim is properly incurred

 

Not at all. :rolleyes:

If the defendant succeed in getting the judgment set-aside (highly likely, because of the over-riding objective), it will go to a hearing where the judge will decide whether OP is entitled to his fee and interest. That's all. As for the defendant being "entitled to their costs", I strongly recommend a thorough read of "Small Claims Procedure" by Judge Patricia Pearl.

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Perhaps you can elaborate on your reference to the overiding objective and how it ill operate to to prevent a set aside. I'm familiar with the costs rules without needing to resort to the title you recomend. An impotant factor which appears to have been overlooked, as with many novices, the calim has not been allocated to the small claims track and accordingly, applications in the case are not limited to the costs rules of the small claims. You may want to try reading a different title.

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Perhaps you can elaborate on your reference to the overiding objective and how it ill operate to to prevent a set aside.

 

You may want to try reading a different title.

 

And you may want to read my post properly. What I said was:

 

If the defendant succeed in getting the judgment set-aside (highly likely, because of the over-riding objective),

 

:rolleyes:

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I'll rephrase...re-read inserting the letters u and before the word likely.

 

Nope, I still don't understand what you mean. Please clarify.

 

Any comments on the other issues raised???

 

What issues?

 

You seem to assume that the set-aside won't be dealt with in County Court, why on earth not? Every single set-aside hearing we've seen in here, and there's been a few, were dealt with in Small claims. And some of them were for much larger amounts. And most of them were issued at MCOL level.

 

Always willing to be enlightened, however, so if you know different, please state your authority.

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I shall say no more on the point. There is clearly a lack of understanding on key issues. Hearings to determine such applications are not heard, have never been heard in the small claims as they are not applications which are allocated to a track. If thats what you are getting from the book you refer to then it is wrong or it is being misunderstood. Please feel free to provide a legal basis for your assertion....

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Right, the answer I expected.

 

S. James, or SJ as was, you have hijacked OP's thread, but yet again, when challenged to come up with the legal basis for your assertions, you decline to do so.

 

I have removed our little conversation from OP's own thread, as I feel that a new member could easily get confused or put-off by the ongoing argument.

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It was I who challenged you to to provide a legal basis for your comments, which you failed to do. Obviously it it was better for you to hide the limits of your ability by taking this step. It seems clear that you have an issue with being asked to provide a basis for your repsonses. It seems to be the general standard on this site (with the exception of a few) that 'its right because I say its right' or because it was in some book someone read. If you're the standard on this site....I have some sympathy for forum users.

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Bear in mind that if they succeed on these points with their application to set aside the judgment then they are properly entitled to their costs which may exceed the amount you claim is properly incurred.

 

That's interesting.

 

So, if I issue court proceedings, and the defendant does not defend, I can obtain a judgement in my favour.

 

But if the defendant then applies to have the judgement set aside, you're saying that is they are successful they are entitled to costs.

 

What costs are they entitled to, and who are they entitled to get them from?

 

(Presumably it can't be me, as their application to set aside a judgement does not include a claim against me, and so I have no opportunity to defend myself against the claim.)

 

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If you are the claimant & become aware at any time that the defendant did not receive your 'Particulars of Claim' (which appears to be what is claimed by the company) YOU should seek a set aside.

 

Although there is a risk because of none allocation its highly unlikely that in the event of a set aside the court would award costs against the 'litigant in person' claimant, unless it was decided that the claimant had acted with extreme prejudice.

 

Under the circumstances being discussed here I wouldn't bother to try & fight the setting aside. In fact I would let the court (& the applicant) know I would not object to it. The court will then set a date for hearing & its highly possible that the claimant will obtain the costs & % asked for.

 

If it has been over 1 month since judgment I suspect this company are fighting this because they don't want even a settled CCJ resting on their credit file & for no other reason. Also if they admit to the court costs & % it sort of gives the game away doesn't it!

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That's interesting.

 

So, if I issue court proceedings, and the defendant does not defend, I can obtain a judgement in my favour.

 

But if the defendant then applies to have the judgement set aside, you're saying that is they are successful they are entitled to costs.

 

What costs are they entitled to, and who are they entitled to get them from?

 

(Presumably it can't be me, as their application to set aside a judgement does not include a claim against me, and so I have no opportunity to defend myself against the claim.)

 

Tim

 

You would be at risk if you fought the setting aside causing the applicant to jump through more hoops than neccessary.

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Under the circumstances being discussed here I wouldn't bother to try & fight the setting aside.

 

Funny you should say that, Joncris, because this is a discussion I have had many a time with Bankfodder. My view, (this is relating to the bank ones, btw), is that since the judge will in all likelihood grant the set-aside, is there any point in opposing it if it means that claimant will then have to wait even longer for his money?

BF argues that in the meantime, the other side will have to prepare for the hearing(s), which ties up more of their resources, cost them more and keeps them on their toes, and we should never give them an easy ride.

I suppose it depends whether one is more interested in gettign one's money back as soon as possible, or to be a pain in the bank's butt for as long as possible... :rolleyes:

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I agree with BF any grief we can cause the banks is welcome.

 

However we don't want to cut off our nose to spite our face. Its my opinion that by fighting a set aside, which will almost certainly be granted, we are delaying matters but also we could antagonise the court by what may be seen as our unreasonable conduct.

 

We can keep any ammunition about the defendants deceit used to obtain the set aside & request costs.

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we could antagonise the court by what may be seen as our unreasonable conduct.

Ah, now you see, this is where I disagree. The over-riding objective works both ways, and I do not believe that any judge in the land would see fighting a set-aside as unreasonable conduct. The hearing is not meant to be merely a formality, thank goodness.

 

I completely agree with you about the delaying part, that was in fact the point of my post. I also agree with making life as difficult to our opponents as we can. It comes down to balance and personal choice, really....

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