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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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On which market?.

 

If "bought on the Internet " how are you as sure of the provenance of supply?

I've bought reputable USA brands form reputable US websites. The same brands are also on Amazon USA and other websites. The supplements manufacturing standards in the USA are the strictest.

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I've bought reputable USA brands form reputable US websites. The same brands are also on Amazon USA and other websites. The supplements manufacturing standards in the USA are the strictest.

 

I'm glad you have found a reliable supply.

 

My response was because you'd said "all on the market", and I'm still not sure "all" are safe / reliable.

 

If you are saying that the suppliers you use in the USA meet stringent standards then it is good that we can point people there.

 

Who monitors the standards for 'supplement' melatonin in the USA? (as opposed to 'medicinal' melatonin which would fall under the FDA)

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It isn't clear what med the OP was referring to .

 

Melatonin has been mentioned, and now 5-htp.

Melatonin (n-acetyl-5MTP) has been conflated with 5-htp in the past, so I'm not sure if wires have been crossed here too.

 

Melatonin is licensed by the European Medicines Agency, whose product license is for short term insomnia treatment in the over-55's.

It is a prescription only medicine within the UK

 

For those who might be considering sourcing melatonin outside the UK (legally) : where it can't legally be sold openly in the UK : I 'm aware of at least one sleep physician who has highlighted use of melatonin, but advised anyone considering importing melatonin to look at its source.

 

Synthesized melatonin is considered less of a risk of infection than melatonin derived from animal pineal tissue.

 

 

BassaS, I did get my wires crossed somewhat. It is licensed and its use is restricted.

 

The point I am trying to get across is that this medication if used outside its licence and/or in combination with other medications could cause a problem. The reason why its use is restricted is there are still areas where its effects are not known.

 

There is a classic example of a medication that was licensed to treat nausea in the elderly. GP,s started to give it to other much younger groups with devastating consequences, that drug was thalidomide.

 

For clarity all I am trying to prevent is before taking this medication make sure it will do more good than harm.

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Sorry to contradict San_d but there is NO limit on the length of a drug study, 6 weeks is rubbish (it may be that in the USA but here it is much longer, there are 2 and 3 year trials currently in progress on some cancer drugs - I know because I've worked in the NHS and have had access to drug trial information).

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Sorry to contradict San_d but there is NO limit on the length of a drug study, 6 weeks is rubbish (it may be that in the USA but here it is much longer, there are 2 and 3 year trials currently in progress on some cancer drugs - I know because I've worked in the NHS and have had access to drug trial information).

The FDA will usually accept a period of 6 weeks as enough to prove the efficacy of a drug. It's not written in stone but it's industry standard. When it comes to the UK, there's no evidence that the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) is stricter in their requirements.

 

The restriction imposed on the sale of melatonin was not decided by the MHRA but purely by political pressure:

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/es-foi/documents/foidisclosure/con2031060.pdf

 

Subject: FOI 06/276

I would like to make a formal request under the Freedom of Information Act for the following:-

1. Details of research conducted by the MHRA prior to the restriction imposed on the sale of melatonin

1. Details of research conducted by the MHRA prior to the restriction imposed on the sale of melatonin

2. Information about the cost of any research, by whom it was conducted and whether it was subject to

external or peer review

3. Details of any consultation carried out to review this policy since it came into effect

4. How many queries or complaints have been received from the public or elsewhere since the restriction

was imposed.

 

MHRA Reply:

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST 06/276 MELATONIN

I refer to your e-mail request of 19 August 2006 and our subsequent correspondence.

The answers to the four questions you asked are as follows –

1. & 2. The Agency did not carry out any primary research on melatonin and therefore has no information

about the cost of research carried out on melatonin.

3. No consultations over the status of melatonin have been carried out since the Agency made its

determination.

4. Records held by the Medicines Borderline Section indicate that there have been 135 specific

referrals about melatonin since first considering the substance in 1989. It is possible that there have been

other referrals where a melatonin product was one of a number of products being complained about but it

is not possible to identify the number of these cases without a detailed scrutiny of a large number of

paper records.

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The FDA are an American organisation and their studies are not normally acceptable in the UK, as I stated before, I have worked in the NHS, dealing with NICE and within the management of the NHS and know that 6 weeks is NOT enough to determine the long term effects of drugs.

 

Initial trials are usually far longer here, I will find my link where you can join in drug trials, it explains the rules and the length of time the trials take - it certainly is far longer than 6 weeks.

 

I'm not going to labour that point any more, because it will only end up in a 'flame' war.

 

I've taken part in drug studies for sleep problems and the shortest of those were 3 months. I've had chronic insomnia for years and am pretty much an expert in the subject.

 

Non-drug intervention is by far the best, keeping the bedroom just for sleeping and intimate sessions, changing the bed sheets, pillow cases and quilt cover twice a week, making sure the temperature is ideal for you, air flow, sweet milky drink 1/2 hour before bedtime, saying the rosary (you don't need to be religious to do this, you can use any prayer you want - or any 'mantra' - this relaxes the mind and clears it of distracting thoughts, you only need to do one decade).

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I think he is on the same medication as me Mirtazapine. I had a similar problem about six months ago. I am a member of a self help group on another site, there have been a number of issues reported with both this medication and other MH medications. BazzaS gave an excellent run down of causes.

 

The sleep clinic is an excellent idea the only problem in my area there is a very strict criteria for referral.

 

Mr Mastif - you are right - the medication is called Mirtazapine - and it no longer seems to be working.

You say there have been a number of issues with this medication, can you elaborate?

Also, what is the name of the self-help group?

It sounds as if other people could be having the same problem as me...........

 

An update:

 

I went to a different chemist and received another brand (also generic) - and that doesn't seem to be working either - still no sleep.

 

There has obviously been a serious drop in quality in this medication recently - as the old batch of tablets I found worked perfectly well.

 

-either that or I have become immune.

 

(seems like another trip to the doctor is on the cards :(

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With some medication you do get 'breakthrough insomnia' which is really bad, I've had it in the past when on Zopiclone.

 

Once you get over this stage (which usually lasts about 3-4 weeks) then the medication starts working again. It is your body's way of fighting what it sees as 'an attack'.

 

The funding for the majority of sleep clinics has been severely cut, and the criteria is changing again next month, so maybe it will be loosened, the idea is to get all sleep clinics privately funded by drugs companies and the local PCTs (or whoever is in charge of the budgeting for NHS treatment for your area) then can allocate their resources to serve 'the wider community'. ie privatising by the back door.

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Mr Mastif - you are right - the medication is called Mirtazapine - and it no longer seems to be working.

You say there have been a number of issues with this medication, can you elaborate?

Also, what is the name of the self-help group?

It sounds as if other people could be having the same problem as me...........

 

An update:

 

I went to a different chemist and received another brand (also generic) - and that doesn't seem to be working either - still no sleep.

 

There has obviously been a serious drop in quality in this medication recently - as the old batch of tablets I found worked perfectly well.

 

-either that or I have become immune.

 

(seems like another trip to the doctor is on the cards :(

 

Hi ADvicePls, Over the last 3 to 9 months a number of people have reported similar problems to yours. Some like you changed their chemist and got a different batch with good results. However because we all live quite near to each other some of the people swapped when they found a good one and did not have the same effect. I think Sillygirl1 could have an explanation for some of the problems reported.

 

The group I belong to in is just a number of people who were in hospital at the same time and have kept in contact.

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With some medication you do get 'breakthrough insomnia' which is really bad, I've had it in the past when on Zopiclone.

 

Once you get over this stage (which usually lasts about 3-4 weeks) then the medication starts working again. It is your body's way of fighting what it sees as 'an attack'.

 

The funding for the majority of sleep clinics has been severely cut, and the criteria is changing again next month, so maybe it will be loosened, the idea is to get all sleep clinics privately funded by drugs companies and the local PCTs (or whoever is in charge of the budgeting for NHS treatment for your area) then can allocate their resources to serve 'the wider community'. ie privatising by the back door.

 

sillygirl, it can't be breakthough insomnia as I have been taking it for about 2 years.

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Thanks Mr Mastiff - I might mention it to the Doc (I expect I will get treated like a hypochondriac), but its worth a try.

 

 

Yes i know the feeling until the GP received the result of my scans I had a Hypochondriac question mark against me. I was just wondering if your GP would do Mirtazapine blood levels to see if they are in the therapeutic range.

 

It would give a definite answer to the viability of the medication.

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