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Online Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned/purchaser Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I was aware, I'm not certain I received a 'Notice of Assignment' from Capital One but may have been informed the account had been sold without such a title on the letter? Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not since the debt purchase, and not from Capital One. Why did you cease payments? I can't remember - it was the tail end of the pandemic and I may not have had enough income to keep up payments - I am self-employed and work in the event industry - at that time. I also had a bank account that didn't allow direct debits and may have just forgotten payments and became annoyed at fines for late payments. What was the date of your last payment? Appears to be 20/4/2022 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No Here is my Defence: Defence - 1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had an agreement with Capital One but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request.. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. I am unaware of having been served with a Default Notice pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. I am unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment pursuant to the Law and Property Act 1925 Section 136(1) 5. The Defendant has sent a request by way of a section 78 pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, for a copy of the agreement, the Claimant has yet to comply and remains in default of said request. 6. A further request has been made via CPR 31.14 to the Claimants solicitor, requesting disclosure of documents on which the Claimant is basing their claim. The Claimant has not complied and to date nothing has been received. 7. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to: a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and; b) show how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed for and; c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 88 CCA1974 d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim 8. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed 9. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of section 136 of the Law of Property Act and section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. .................. Please note that I had to write a defence quite quickly as I hit the deadline. At the time of writing the defence, I hadn't been able to find correspondence from Capital One, but had since found default letter etc. I submitted CCA request and CPR 31.14. However, I didn't get any proof of postage or use registered post for the CPR (an oversight) but did with the CCA request. I received a pack which included a letter from Overdales, going over the defence I'd filed, as well as letters of Lowells and reprints of letters from Capital One. But I have no idea if this pack is in response to the CCA request or the CPR ! I would have expected two separate responses ... although I do know they are both the same company. Looking over the pack today, and looking through old emails .. I find some discrepancies in the Capital One default letters (notice of default and Claim of default). They are both dated *before* an email I have stating that a default can be avoided. 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Hi everyone (not sure if this is the right place to post),

 

my son graduated university last year,

after graduation, he had a placement for which he was still able to take out books from the library.

 

He didnt hand them in on time and now Ive got the university sending charge statements to me.

 

My son doesnt live with me anymore,

and he told me that he emailed this to the university (he was abroad),

he also told me that he recently returned the books,

yet I still receive these statements.

 

I have a few questions now:

1) Can the university and the DCA (if they bring one in) take stuff from me

2) Will the uni waive his charges since he returned the books

3) Do the uni's bring in DCAs (he tells me he ignored the first few statements - he thought they would go away)

 

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woe horsey

 

DCA's are not BAILIFFS

they have NO LEGAL POWERS

 

ignore them.

 

the uni have the books

 

end of.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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nope

 

ignore them totally

 

you'll get all manner of scary letters

 

all saying

 

every word but WILL

 

read the letters carefully

 

they are cleverly worded,

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • 1 year later...

I'm at a loss as yo why they're contacting you.

 

You have never had a contract with the uni library so they can't successfully sue you and they've been told your son No longer lives at the family home. You didn't answer my question. Are the DCA/library threatening you personally? If so, despite their lack of real powers, they shouldn't be doing this. Tell them to jog on.

 

Don't want to sound harsh, but your sons a grown up, help him by all means but at the end of the day he should be trying to sort this out. I'm trying to help one of my off spring with various problems, but I'm only doing it as a 3rd party and you should do the same.

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I'm at a loss as yo why they're contacting you.

 

You have never had a contract with the uni library so they can't successfully sue you and they've been told your son No longer lives at the family home. You didn't answer my question. Are the DCA/library threatening you personally? If so, despite their lack of real powers, they shouldn't be doing this. Tell them to jog on.

 

Don't want to sound harsh, but your sons a grown up, help him by all means but at the end of the day he should be trying to sort this out. I'm trying to help one of my off spring with various problems, but I'm only doing it as a 3rd party and you should do the same.

 

 

Hey Goodatresearch - the thread was started by a parent being pursued over a childs debt. I'm the actual borrower in this instance. Sorry for the confusion.

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Hey Goodatresearch - the thread was started by a parent being pursued over a childs debt. I'm the actual borrower in this instance. Sorry for the confusion.

 

That's OK.

 

This could be an admin error on their behalf. Have you thought of doing a SAR?

 

I say this because I was once told by a catalogue company that I had not made a return. After many weeks of trying to speak to someone who would investigate properly, finally someone advised that returns were logged onto 2 databases and one of these databases confirmed the return.

 

I have no idea how your library works, but as said it could be a similar problem and they just haven't checked properly.

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That's OK.

 

This could be an admin error on their behalf. Have you thought of doing a SAR?

 

I say this because I was once told by a catalogue company that I had not made a return. After many weeks of trying to speak to someone who would investigate properly, finally someone advised that returns were logged onto 2 databases and one of these databases confirmed the return.

 

I have no idea how your library works, but as said it could be a similar problem and they just haven't checked properly.

 

Good thinking, sounds like a good route to go down - they have emailed me screenshots of their systems but presumably an SAR will have something more formalised as a form of output.

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I just got a Dunning letter from my university regarding this and I have seen a few email invoices in my spam folder now.

 

I graduated in 2012 and returned the books in April 2013 - about 5 months late.

 

 

The only reason I was able to do this was because I had a placement after my graduation.

 

Usually I would've have renewed the books online but my account was revoked so I didn't receive any notifications

via email (all correspondence with my uni was via the uni email).

 

 

I emailed the university to tell them I could not return ASAP because lack of transport but I got an ambiguous reply that

"I could return the books but this is not right".

 

 

Luckily I have kept the receipt of my return but atm I don't know where I stand.

 

 

I want to contact them but I'm afraid they will refuse and just keep asking for the money.

 

 

I am willing to pay the late fines but I think they are being unfair with the amount they want now - it currently stands at £177.

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its a money making exercise ignore them all of you

 

 

re read this thread from post 1

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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