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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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We bought a car from a dealer on the 27th May this year. It has just had it's MOT and failed dismally. It has been deemed dangerous to drive and the cost of getting it roadworthy is over £1000. These are things that would have been wrong with the car when we bought it. As most of the issues can only been seen from underneath the car we were obviously not aware of them. Also, the rear brake is so dangerous that the car should never have been on the road. It also needs some welding work as it is so corroded near the suspension that it could have given way at any time. The other issues are minor compared to these two.

 

I called the dealer who said that because the car was bought for less than £1000 it's not his problem. He said that we took the car on a test drive and were happy. If you can call a 200ft drive a test, then yes, we did. We could not take the car on to the main road as it had no tax and no insurance. So, in effect, we didn't test drive it at all. Just to the end of his drive at the garage and back again.

 

I'm so angry. I spent hard earned money on a car that is dangerous. I have a young child and knowing that it could have given way at any time is a scary thought. I have resigned myself to scrapping the car but I'm just wondering, should I report him to TS or anything like that? Have I really got no rights to demand he put the car right (after all, it was sold unfit for purpose).

 

Any help would be appreciated.

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You should definitely complain to TS although it's probably unlikely you'll get any money back from traders like this. It's always worth having a knowledgeable friend around with cars, or an independent inspection (I expect the trader would've run a mile if you'd proposed this!)

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Ok, well I will give them a call and see what they say. Does the SOGA not apply to used cars? My oh is very good with cars and, like I said, it would have had to have gone up on ramps and a good poke about underneath to see the corrosion. We knew the rear brake shoe would need replacing but it's actually the whole thing, including the drum, that is dangerous. This is something that could not be seen without getting it up in the air. As for an independent inspection.....it's not something I thought of.

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I have just spoken to Tesco 9as I have legal advice through them) and they have told me to write to the dealer rejecting the car, explaining why and to send a copy of the MOT certificate and the cost of the repair. They say, because I have had the car for such a short period of time then that only goes to strengthen my case. As does the fact it clearly states the car is dangerous on the MOT. Off to compose a letter now....

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How does this sound:

 

I purchased a Mazda MX-3 as part of a part exchange with a Corsa B on the 2rd May 2012. We were not informed that car had any problems. We also were not able to take the car on a full test drive due to the lack of road tax and insurance on the vehicle.

 

I am writing to you to inform you that I reject the car. My reasons being it's failure on it's MOT. I have enclosed a copy of the MOT certificate and a breakdown of the costs to repair the car. The total repair costs would exceed £1000 when VAT is added to the cost.

 

The car has been deemed dangerous, clearly stated on the MOT certificate. The garage has confirmed that the issues surrounding the failure would have been present when the vehicle was sold to us.

 

Under the Sale of Goods Act it states that items purchased must be fit for purpose and be of a satisfactory condition. It is my understanding, that due to the failures on the car, that it was neither fit for purpose nor of a satisfactory condition. If I had been made aware of the faults on the car then I would not of purchased the vehicle.

 

Further to the issues with the car we have had to incur further losses as we had to purchase a vehicle on the 1st August as a car is essential for my partner to commute to work. We are not able to cover the cost of repairs on the Mazda MX3 as it is uneconomical to do so. Therefore I request a full refund and the car be returned to you as rejected.

 

I ask that you respond to this matter within 7-10 days from the date of this letter.

 

Yours sincerely

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The car had tax put on it after we purchased it as part of the deal so, yes, it was taxed. The car was just on the lot with a price. Nothing to say it had faults, including a dangerous one. The dealer gave no indication that there were any major issues.

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They have a website but it just shows the cars they have for sale with basic details such as mileage etc. I'm not sure if they advertise their cars anywhere else.

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Ok... it's only that it would of strengthened your position if there was evidence of miss-representation. Your letter seems fine to me but send it by recorded delivery. Do not use the car once posted (although i'm pretty sure that you can't anyway). A word of warning though, these type of people will know how a court case pans out so be prepared for a long drawn out case. You will no doubt have to go down that road but you can claim interest on your outlay from the outset plus all your court fees. The longer it goes on, the more expensive it will get for the seller BUT the pitfall is that he may not pay even when you get your judgement. At that point you would send in the bailiffs which is fine if he has anything of value to seize.

 

If it was me, I would borrow/hire a trailer, transport the car to a prominent spot in front of his plot and put large signs inside the car warning others of the type of cars he was selling.

 

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It is only a small business so he may/may not have had dealings with the court before. I can't use the car. It is now off road, SORNed and as it has neither insurance or MOT I won't be taking it anywhere. I can only try.....thank you.

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Slight changes to the letter:

 

RE: Mazda MX-3

 

This is to inform you that I formally reject the above vehicle, as is my statutory right under the Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended).

 

I purchased the Mazda MX-3 as part of a part exchange with a Corsa B on the 2rd May 2012. We were not informed that car had any problems. I was not able to take the car on a full test drive due to the lack of road tax and insurance on the vehicle.

 

After submitting the car for an MOT I have been informed that the car is in a dangerous condition. This is clearly stated on the MOT certificate. The garage has confirmed that the issues surrounding the failure would have been present when the vehicle was sold to me.

 

The Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended), states that items purchased must be fit for purpose and be of a satisfactory condition. It also states that the item must be safe. It is my understanding, that due to the failures on the car, that it was neither fit for purpose, not of a satisfactory condition nor is it safe. If I had been made aware of the faults on the car then I would not have purchased the vehicle.

 

Further to the issues with the car I have had to incur further losses as I had to purchase a vehicle on the 1st August as a car is essential for my partner to commute to work. I am not able to cover the cost of repairs on the Mazda MX3 as it is uneconomical to do so.

 

Therefore I request a full refund and that you arrange for the car to be collected at your expense within 7 days.

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Well it sounds like a small business that shouldn't be in business to me.

 

More than likely. I'm having no luck getting through to TS as of yet. Just want to get him reported!

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A dealer is not obliged to tell you problems with a vehicle, but should tell you what they are aware of if asked.

 

Regarding MOTs, while even VOSA seldom entertain complaints after 28 days from a test - they will investigate if related to corrosion for up to tree months as it cannot appear quickly.

 

Call them - even for the parts they can't look at they will be interested to hear.

 

Call them on 0300 123 9000.

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Spoke to the dealer (naughty, I know) and he is offering me a part refund plus I get to keep the tax to claim a refund on that (they paid for the tax, not me). In total I will be short of about £50 that I paid for it. I can live with that. He tried to offer me scrap value but after throwing in SOGA he relented.

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A dealer is not obliged to tell you problems with a vehicle, but should tell you what they are aware of if asked.

 

Regarding MOTs, while even VOSA seldom entertain complaints after 28 days from a test - they will investigate if related to corrosion for up to tree months as it cannot appear quickly.

 

Call them - even for the parts they can't look at they will be interested to hear.

 

Call them on 0300 123 9000.

 

I don't understand? Sorry? One thing though, the same company who just failed my car passed it 12 months ago with one advisory (a tyre). I would have thought the corrosion and brakes would have already been in a sorry state.

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Ok, reported the MOT place to VOSA as they passed the car last year with no mention of the corrosion. Also, the issuing name is the same on both certificates but the signature is totally different. Not sure if it matters, but I told VOSA anyway. They said they would investigate.

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Spoke to the dealer (naughty, I know) and he is offering me a part refund plus I get to keep the tax to claim a refund on that (they paid for the tax, not me). In total I will be short of about £50 that I paid for it. I can live with that. He tried to offer me scrap value but after throwing in SOGA he relented.

 

Let us know when you get the money back, then we can celebrate.

 

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Finally got my money back last night. The dealer paid scrap value for it and his mate, who has the same car, paid the rest so he can use it for spares and repairs. Dealer gets his.money back when his mate scraps it. I dont care. Got my money, thats all that matters.

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