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Hi, is this their phone number, 020 81661472

Asking as they have been harassing us saying we have had a payday loan for £200 from them,

first we knew,

surely you need to sign for a loan?

they now say they want £ 278 in total,

hubby lost his job end of Jan this year and we are waiting to see if we are entitled to anything from JSA,

 

anyone know who CFO are as the intials throw up a lot of different companies with the same intials

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there is only one report from sept 11 on who calls me on 020 81661472

 

that too was capital finance one

 

interesting

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I thought any loan had to be signed for? we have had nothing,if they try and take anything from our bank then they will not succeed as we over overdrawn and there is ziltch in our account and it will reamain like that for awhile,if anyone has any idea who these people are and how they can say you owe them money when you know nothing about it is beyond us,the last call we had was to our mobile phone and the guy was awful,he said they will keep phoning us for the money

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is this their number as well?

02081661472

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I just d/l the above link but it came out unreadable,just symbols/letters etc so had to delete it,we are being hounded by CFO for a loan we knew nothing about,we did try for a PDL from a couple of companies and each time got declined so stopped looking,as other half has now lost his job it is last thing we need.I always thought you had to sign for a loan and have the agreement sent you? CFO have said they will keep phoning us for the money, £278

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Gone but never forgotten,Little Miss Sunshine, Alisha Marie. 15/12/2005 ~ ~ 13/02/2006

Our  beloved Dalmatian Jazz,  gone to join Wal at Rainbow Bridge, hope you are now pain free .  20/9/2005 ~ ~ 24/3/2019

 

 

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as advised on the other thread.

we have not see that number before

and there is one report on who calls me site but was MTC/CFO

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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your need microsoft office or install open office [free]

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Ty dx,will give it a try,have to wait till Monday to go to our bank as they are closed over the weekend

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Gone but never forgotten,Little Miss Sunshine, Alisha Marie. 15/12/2005 ~ ~ 13/02/2006

Our  beloved Dalmatian Jazz,  gone to join Wal at Rainbow Bridge, hope you are now pain free .  20/9/2005 ~ ~ 24/3/2019

 

 

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have you a link for open office please as all the ones I have tried are foreign

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Our  beloved Dalmatian Jazz,  gone to join Wal at Rainbow Bridge, hope you are now pain free .  20/9/2005 ~ ~ 24/3/2019

 

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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ty dx,it worked

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hi, we have just had an email from them, shall I post it here?

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You have a loan of £200 with £78 interest which was due for repayment on 24/02/12.

I'm sorry to hear about your current situation however is there any way today you can make the Interest and fines payment on the account to defer the loan,

this will save you a large amount of money as fines will be applied to your account as per your account.

 

If you cannot do this, as the account is in default, fines and fees will be applied to the account until the balance is settled in full.

You will also receive daily calls/texts and E mails chasing the debt.

After a period of 33 days of being in default the debt will be passed to an external door to door Collection Agency called Mitigate Trace & Collect.

They charge their own fee for this service and this cost will be applied to your account.

We suggest therefore that you try and at least make the interest payment to defer the loan to avoid this.

We can also take a payment from your debit/credit card or if needed from someone else credit/debit card who may wish to pay on your behalf.

 

 

Please fill in the following if you wish to make the payment for the Interest today, or call 02081661470 to discuss this with an advisor.

 

 

Kind Regards

 

Capital Finance One

 

Tel : 020 8166 1470

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Gone but never forgotten,Little Miss Sunshine, Alisha Marie. 15/12/2005 ~ ~ 13/02/2006

Our  beloved Dalmatian Jazz,  gone to join Wal at Rainbow Bridge, hope you are now pain free .  20/9/2005 ~ ~ 24/3/2019

 

 

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If they state they have a bailiff standing by tell them that without a court order the bailiff will continue to stand by.... they are full of bull so inform them the call is being recorded.

 

A bailiff CANNOT use bailiff powers when collecting common commercial debt (which is what a PDL loan is) WITHOUT the debt having gone to court and you default on a court order, even then they are limited as to what they can take.

 

One DCA has already dropped out of collecting for this murky market - Fredericksons - and they stated it was due to the interest of the OFT, FSA and other parties and the level of complaints.

 

Complain to the OFT and FSA as there is now an official investigation going on. If you have already complained add further info to the complaint.

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I went to my bank today and they said CFO have not tried to take money from our account as it would show up,

 

CFO told us they had tried taking money from our bank,

our account is in serious arrears,

 

I asked our bank if we could stop them taking any money we get going in and they told us that they can not just take it out,is this right?

 

am worried as hopefully we may be getting JSA go in our account if we are entitled to it as I lost my job at end of Jan this year,

 

WE never asked CFO for a loan yest they put one in our account,

 

the bank says as we have used it there is no fraud committed,

 

surely you need to sign for any loan?

 

we honestly did not relise any extra money and why would we ask for a loan of any sort when we could not afford one?

 

where do they get your details from?

 

Any advice is welcome

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Gone but never forgotten,Little Miss Sunshine, Alisha Marie. 15/12/2005 ~ ~ 13/02/2006

Our  beloved Dalmatian Jazz,  gone to join Wal at Rainbow Bridge, hope you are now pain free .  20/9/2005 ~ ~ 24/3/2019

 

 

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You have a loan of £200 with £78 interest which was due for repayment on 24/02/12.

I'm sorry to hear about your current situation however is there any way today you can make the Interest and fines payment on the account to defer the loan,

this will save you a large amount of money as fines will be applied to your account as per your account.

 

If you cannot do this, as the account is in default, fines and fees will be applied to the account until the balance is settled in full.

You will also receive daily calls/texts and E mails chasing the debt.

After a period of 33 days of being in default the debt will be passed to an external door to door Collection Agency called Mitigate Trace & Collect.

They charge their own fee for this service and this cost will be applied to your account.

We suggest therefore that you try and at least make the interest payment to defer the loan to avoid this.

We can also take a payment from your debit/credit card or if needed from someone else credit/debit card who may wish to pay on your behalf.

 

 

Please fill in the following if you wish to make the payment for the Interest today, or call 02081661470 to discuss this with an advisor.

 

 

Kind Regards

 

Capital Finance One

 

Tel : 020 8166 1470

 

you REALLY need to fwd that to the OFT and TS

 

they CANNOT FINE anyone

they are NOT allowed to even use those words.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I went to my bank today and they said CFO have not tried to take money from our account as it would show up,

 

CFO told us they had tried taking money from our bank,

our account is in serious arrears,

 

I asked our bank if we could stop them taking any money we get going in and they told us that they can not just take it out,is this right?

 

am worried as hopefully we may be getting JSA go in our account if we are entitled to it as I lost my job at end of Jan this year,

 

WE never asked CFO for a loan yest they put one in our account,

 

the bank says as we have used it there is no fraud committed,

 

surely you need to sign for any loan?

 

we honestly did not relise any extra money and why would we ask for a loan of any sort when we could not afford one?

 

where do they get your details from?

 

Any advice is welcome

 

 

put it in WRITING to your bank NOT to monour ANY payment requests to CFO or wwhomever

without your SPECIFIC permission

 

do not rely on branch tell the world

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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thank, new here so if you can point me in the direction of the OFT etc and what to say to them it will be great,must sound thick,sorry

R.I.P my beautiful grey ghost, gone but never forgotten, taken so suddenly, 04/07/2004 ~ ~ 02/03/2017

Gone but never forgotten,Little Miss Sunshine, Alisha Marie. 15/12/2005 ~ ~ 13/02/2006

Our  beloved Dalmatian Jazz,  gone to join Wal at Rainbow Bridge, hope you are now pain free .  20/9/2005 ~ ~ 24/3/2019

 

 

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read this thread?

 

ist here several times?

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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have just written letter to bank,asking them not to honour any payments to CFO

R.I.P my beautiful grey ghost, gone but never forgotten, taken so suddenly, 04/07/2004 ~ ~ 02/03/2017

Gone but never forgotten,Little Miss Sunshine, Alisha Marie. 15/12/2005 ~ ~ 13/02/2006

Our  beloved Dalmatian Jazz,  gone to join Wal at Rainbow Bridge, hope you are now pain free .  20/9/2005 ~ ~ 24/3/2019

 

 

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no

you TELL THEM

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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sillygirl,who are you repling to please? I am totally confussed! I spoke to my bank this morning and will also put it in writing not to allow CFO to take money from our account,not sure what to say/write to OFT/TS, sorry just angry that firms can do this to people

R.I.P my beautiful grey ghost, gone but never forgotten, taken so suddenly, 04/07/2004 ~ ~ 02/03/2017

Gone but never forgotten,Little Miss Sunshine, Alisha Marie. 15/12/2005 ~ ~ 13/02/2006

Our  beloved Dalmatian Jazz,  gone to join Wal at Rainbow Bridge, hope you are now pain free .  20/9/2005 ~ ~ 24/3/2019

 

 

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i think its about time you made your own thread

 

thats why you are getting confused

posting on several tyhreads too.

 

i'll moved you posts for you.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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your own thread created

please post here now

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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