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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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went through exactly the same last jan/feb see hear .. (by the way they withdrew and charged my account £700!!!)

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?290676-spml-ascendan-eviction-EVICTION-NOTICE-WITHDRAWN-PRIOR-TO-COURT-DATE**(3-Viewing)-nbsp

 

Well there at it again, letter from there solicitors saying they are going for an eviction

(suspended eviction from 2005)

Recieved an odd looking letter from the court...

it is a "GENERAL FORM OF JUDGEMENT ORDER"

"UPON READING THE LETTER FROM THE CLAIMANT

IT IS ORDERED THAT

PERMISSION TO ISSUE A WARRANT OF POSSESSION BE GRANTED...

 

no notice no hearing or anything,,,, please advice asap do i need another n244 form?

Ell-en you were a godsend last time can you please take a peek...:-)

regards Dave

 

is this a new form or something its an N24?

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Hi there, why are they going for eviction again - have you missed payments since last time ?

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Well i have been paying them by cheque (just so they have to physically do something) although i get charged a fiver...:x

 

On going back on my bank statements it seems Augusts payment is missiing ,lost in the post? but i have been paying £30 - £40 over the mortgage +£50 agreed on numerous occasions when i had a decent wage, before and after that

so i dont know what has triggered the court action in january??

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Have you had any letters from them at all ?

 

Do you send the cheques by recorded delivery ? If you are on internet banking it's best to pay that way

 

How much are you supposed to be paying each month?

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They have said i have arrears of 3k but that is there fees but they said not,?? liers!!.... i still never recieved my SAR reqest from last feb, and have asked on numoures occasions and tonight they said its because your mrs did not sign it as joint applicant...

tonight they want a lump sum from me or the usual friends and family or they are going with the eviction...

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I have asked to pay by internet banking but they refuse to give their banking details and said sign up for the web service witch i do pay the second charge with, but it wont let you have 2 accounts online??

cheques not sent recorded no

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You need to write to them to ask for a breakdown of the arrears. If you have an arrangement to pay back the arrears they should not be charging you arrears fees each month.

 

Re the form - I think they have had to write to the court to get permission to apply for a an eviction warrant due to them withdrawing the last time. Did you get a letter from the court after your last hearing? it may have stated that the lender has to ask the court's permission before applying for another warrant.

 

Can you get proof of all the payments you have made since the last hearing?

How much should you be paying each month under the court order?

how much have you paid towards the arrears since the last hearing ?

 

If you send cheques you should always do so by recorded delivery - write your name and address on the back of the cheque and also your account number. If possible keep a photocopy of the back and front of the cheque and staple it to the recorded delivery slip.

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I have asked them for a breakdown tonight and they want £35 for the privilege!

I dont remember a form from the courts last time,..i still went to the hearing anyway

I have proof of all the payments

I have to pay the mortgage plus £50

Around £750 -£800 has been paid of the so called arrears since their last failed attempt

 

 

it says on the n24 form

 

"GENERAL FORM OF JUDGEMENT ORDER"

"UPON READING THE LETTER FROM THE CLAIMANT

IT IS ORDERED THAT

PERMISSION TO ISSUE A WARRANT OF POSSESSION BE GRANTED...

 

 

"Because the order has been made by the court on the application of a party without notice of the hearing being given, any other party has the right to apply to have it set asside or varied pursuant to CPR RULE 23(10)(2)

any application must be sent or delivered to the court (with any fee) within 7 days of servise of this order

dated jan 30/12

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In that case you need to send in another N244 with all the proof of payments you have made - list them out month by month.

 

You say the cheque in August wasn't cashed - do you still have the money for that month's installment ?

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it was probably spent on something else Ell-en

 

So i have to fork out £40 again on a n244....great

i really need to ask the judge for costs this time if they withdraw again, it cost me over 1k last time in there fees and time off work...

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OK, I'll catch up with you again tomorrow and we can work on the N244 - I need to log off now as I have to get up early in the morning. In the meantime, get the proof of payments since the last hearing - you'll just have to explain to the judge about the missing one.

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I have asked them for a breakdown tonight and they want £35 for the privilege!

I dont remember a form from the courts last time,..i still went to the hearing anyway

I have proof of all the payments

I have to pay the mortgage plus £50

Around £750 -£800 has been paid of the so called arrears since their last failed attempt

 

 

it says on the n24 form

 

"GENERAL FORM OF JUDGEMENT ORDER"

"UPON READING THE LETTER FROM THE CLAIMANT

IT IS ORDERED THAT

PERMISSION TO ISSUE A WARRANT OF POSSESSION BE GRANTED...

 

 

"Because the order has been made by the court on the application of a party without notice of the hearing being given, any other party has the right to apply to have it set asside or varied pursuant to CPR RULE 23(10)(2)

any application must be sent or delivered to the court (with any fee) within 7 days of servise of this order

dated jan 30/12

Hi,

 

The highlighted section seems concerning - it is now the 02/02/12 - are you not too late? you will surely have to advise the court of a reason for the delay in responding???

 

I haven't read the previous correspondance between you and ell-enn, so I cannot comment too much and it seems that all is in hand.

 

But can I add this:

 

The overriding frustrating issue is that there appears to be an embargo on assisting consumers when the lender is one who is party to having securitised a consumers mortgage.

 

SPML and the like are known culprits.

 

If we were 'allowed' to offer assistance, the OP would not be being advised about ways to stave off an order for 'warrant of possession' - he would be still in his house!!

 

By way of some form of redress (regardless of the outcome of the hearing of your case), the OP needs to send an email to '[email protected]'

 

Let them know who your lender is, what has happened and advise them of the outcome of your case and tell them that you do not believe the possession was fair or lawful and demand that they look into the matter on your behalf.

 

Please understand that the OfT do not look at individual cases.... but it is important to log a complaint with them - because the more consumers that log complaints with them, the more chance we have of them looking into the business practices of SPML and the like on behalf of consumers as a whole.

 

The same advise goes to every single consumer who has/had a mortgage with SPML or the like - get an email off to the OFT without delay.

 

Lets's get the issue of mortgage securitisation officially looked into to protect consumers and their homes.

 

Repossessions will continue unless consumers stand up and make themselves heard!!!

 

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Thanks Apple, sorry the date is confusing it is 30/01/12 so i am still within the period,

and i have already lodged a complaint to the fso and will redo the same forthe OFT you are correct that everybody needs to do it, im also contacting watchdog.

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I have rang them again tonight and there is no mention of a missed payment, i have asked why it has suddenly ended up in court again, and the answer was "because you have serious arrears and have not contacted us with a satisfactory payment plan..."

i give up wanting to talk with these tossers, the judge give the payment plan in 2005! ...

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How much are they saying your arrears are ?

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I don't have time to write a statement for the N244 tonight or tomorrow, but could do it over the weekend. Would you be able to take the N244 to the court on Monday ?

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OK, in the meantime get together the proof of all the payments you have made. I had a look at your last N244 and back then the arrears had almost been cleared except for £300 - surely you have paid that by now ?

 

Affixed is your last N244 statement

Dave121 N244 statement.doc

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Thanks Ell, yes i will have paid the arrears , back in 2005 i owed £3500 in areas and fees and am paying £50 a month for 72 months equal £3600 so i will owe zero arrears and the figure they are suggesting is arrears must be fees and interest...

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Excellent - have you had a statement from them recently ?

 

 

However, there is the missed payment back in August ...

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just the last 3 month statement, they dont seem aware of the missed payment in august as like said i have been paying £30 - £40 on top of the agreed for a few months so it would have probably have been made up...

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Does it show any arrears on the last 3 month statement ?

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