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    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
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9 months after passing his test, my son (stupidly) received a 24 month ban for DD. At that time he had not sent the paperwork off for his full licence, as he was still within the 12 month timescale for submitting your provisional licence and Test pass certificate. Hence he surrendered his Provisional Licence and Pass Certificate at the time of the ban.

 

When the ban expired, he was abroad for long periods, and did not have access to a car when over here, so did not apply to get his licence re-instated immediately. He had attended the re-hab course, and been told that there was no time limit as to when you can apply to get your licence back when the DD ban expires.

 

A couple of years later, he applied to have his licence re-instated - as a Full licence, as he had passed his test. Sent off the form and fee of £100, waited several months and heard nothing from the DVLA, and it took several e-mails before they said we would here from them shortly. The next thing that happened was that a provisional licence arrived in the post. The DVLA stated that they could not issue a Full Licence because the 12 month period allowed for application following passing the driving test had expired!

 

Surely the clock stopped ticking at 8 months, when my son surrendered the paperwork to the DVLA at the point of the ban? How could he apply for his full licence when they were holding the paperwork, and, also he had been told that it is up to you when you re-apply to get your licence back when a ban comes to an end. I assume that the DVLA did not really know how to deal with this one, as they took so long to get back to us.

 

Any advice gratefully received!

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After a drink driving ban quite rightly you should retake your tests.

 

He will need to retake, theory, practical aswell as the £100 for a new licence which is provisional.

 

I believe this is due to the 6points in first 2 years of driving. If he wasn't in first two years he may not have to resit test depending on points already on licence etc.

 

I'm sure you'll have heard it a million times but quite deservedly he should have to retake everything with the embarassment of being driving whilst drunk. Been to many a RTC which has changed lives due to alcohol :(

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supermancss will be correct provided we are talking about all this occurring after 1997 when the New Driver's Act came into force. You comment on this happening over at least a couple of years, but presumably not as far back as 1997?

 

If so, it's not anything to do with not having sent his test certificate off or not reapplying inmmediately his ban was up. Under the New Driver's Act, if you receive 6 points in your first 2 years, your licence is automatically revoked, you reapply for a provisional licence and have to take the theory and practical test again. I would guess that a DD offence came with 10 penalty points on his licence as well as the ban.

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Thanks for the replies.

 

I have checked, and the ban was imposed in January 1997 - which I think was before the New Drivers' Act came into force.

 

The reason cited by the DVLA was the fact that the period of 12 months to submit the Pass certificate and Provisional Licence to apply for a full licence had expired. I'm not sure this is watertight as they were in possession of the paperwork from the 8th month onwards. Hence my query.

 

Supermancs - please be assured that we are both eternally grateful that this lesson has been learned without anybody coming to harm by his stupid action.

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humm that's more interesting then. Some of the act came into force in March 1997 and the remainder in June 1997, so it should not be applied in your son's case.

 

It does just seem to come back to the fact he hadn't swapped his certificate for a full licence. That doesn't tend to happen now as in 99% of test passes the examiner will keep your provisional and arrange for your full licence to be issued.

 

Not sure who/where you progress this to as the DVLA tend to be a law unto themselves and are never wrong!

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Apologies - I should not post things late in the evening - I was obviously stuck in a time warp - my son passed his test in 2007 (not 1997!) Thanks to supermancss for mentioning the 15 year time gap - which flagged up my error!

 

After a bit of research I have found out that:-

 

If a new driver is convicted of: DD - this is an offence where disqualification is obligatory. They will NOT have their drivers licence revoked under the new drivers act because of the disqualification imposed upon conviction of these offences. The new drivers act only applies IF the new driver accumulates 6 penalty points or more on their driving licence within the 2 year probationary period.

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So it is definitely the question of could he be out of the time limit for submitting his paperwork for the full licence, if the paperwork was in the hands of the DVLA?

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Having sourced the actual paperwork - for which I apologise not doing in the first place, as I am obviously past being able to rely on my memory :-

 

Test passed - April 2005

Ban - January 2006

Applied to have licence returned (fee £100) around May 2010.

 

Reason for the time gap was as he is abroad quite frequently, and did not have regular access to a car when in this country, so it seemed pointless paying out the £100 before the licence was required.

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No longer relevant to his case, but I am curious why he kept his provisional and test certificate to be sent off later. I thought by then the test centres had brought in the practice of sending of a candicate's provisional to be automatically upgraded on their behalf. It is not compulsory, but very few people would refuse this service as it is free and efficient.:)

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No longer relevant to his case, but I am curious why he kept his provisional and test certificate to be sent off later. I thought by then the test centres had brought in the practice of sending of a candicate's provisional to be automatically upgraded on their behalf. It is not compulsory, but very few people would refuse this service as it is free and efficient.:)

+1 somthing doesnt add up

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He will have to retake all tests with extended practical.

 

The extended practical isn't mandatory even for a DD disqualification, but is stipulated, if necessary, by the magistrate as part of the sentence.

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