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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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While parking my car on 8th June, i touched another car while trying to get into a space. I looked and there was no damage to either car. I was trying to get into a space which is very tight but marked with lines. Its a private car park where tickets are usually issued if you dont use the marked spaces. The parking attendent, whom i had spoken to before shouted "dont worry mate, ive got your details and will let them know". I thought nothing more of it until 20 June, when I got a notice of intention to prosecute from the Herts Police. There were two letters, one said NIP for driving without due care and attention, and the other letter, which I had to sign and send back to the Police lists this as well as Failing to stop at the scene of an accident, and Failing to give my details. I dont know if the other car owner (who i never saw) or the attendent passed on my registration number to the Police. I dilligently sent back all the info they asked for, insurance details, MOT and driving licence, and an explanation that there was no damage to either car, that the attendent said he had taken my details, and that i didnt feel it necessary to leave my insurance details as there was no damage. I replied to the NIP from the Police on 22nd June, and haven't heard anything since. Does anyone know what I can expect to happen next? There was something about 14 days in the letter I had to send back, but foolishly I forgot to take a copy of it. Thanks.

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Sounds rather odd - sounds as if the attendant could have passed your details to a dodgy no win no fee accident or insurance claim company (that would be illegal wouldn't it without your permission?) and may have taken a fee for it.. Then a false insurance claim could be being made? Or maybe gets a fee from the police for reporting things? Stranger things have happened..

 

I'd perhaps check if with your insurance company to see if they've heard of anything.

 

I'd also contact the police personally to see what is going on from their side of things.

 

I hate to recommend other forums but the pepipoo forums are excellent for all things regarding motoring fines - many motoring lawyers hang out there too.

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I'm surprised that the police would be pursuing this, unless they have been told a few porkies by whoever filed the complaint. Failing to stop after an accident would normally be pursued for driving away from a major traffic collision on the road or a hit and run. In cases like this, a minor nudge in a car park with nobody injured they would normally leave it to the insurers to sort out.

 

If the police are pursuing it the next step would be an officer coming to your house to take a statement. All you would need to do is stick to the truth, and say is that while attempting to park, you touched another vehicle, got out and checked and there was no visible damage to either vehicle so you did not feel that leaving your details was necessary, as no accident occured. They will probably ask to inspect your vehicle but obviously there will be nothing of interest there. I suspect it will go no further than this.

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Thanks CardiffDevil, I am inclined to think along the same lines as you, and as I haven't heard anything for a month yet from either the Police, or my/their insurance company, I am going to put it to the back of mind and not think about it too much. I did half expect the Police to jump on it as an easy prosecution to get their figures, but maybe that was me being cynical. I am surprised it has gone this far really - how many times have we all returned to our parked to find someone has caused a minor dent or scratch, and not bothered to leave their details? In this case, I didn't even scratch either car.

As far as I am aware, the laws of the road DO apply to private car parks and private roads where the public has acces. I bumped my car years ago into a lampost on my estate to avoid a cat, again, no damage to anyone or anything. But a neighbour saw, and called the Police. 45 minutes later they were on my doorstep, and it was my unfortunate luck that between the bump and getting back into the house and the Police arriving, I had drunk 4 double vodka and cokes (we were having a party), so they did me for drink driving, despite me arguing with them on the doorstep and in Court. :-(

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Bear in mind that it can take up to a few months before the police turn up to take a statement. I had a similar situation a few years back. I thought the matter had been closed, but was quite surprised three months later when an officer arrived at my house one evening to take a statement. The complaint was made that I had hit a parked car with considerable force (causing £1300 of damage) and driven off. The officer examined my car and noted the complete lack of any accident damage at all, the matter was referred back to the insurers who refused to pay out as there was no evidence at all that I was involved. A lot of hassle but a good result in the end.

 

 

Did you really get convicted for drink driving in that situation? They didn't breathalyse you at the roadside so surely they couldn't prove that you were over the limit when you were driving the car.

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Yes., I was prosecuted, and received a 2 year ban. I was breathalysed on my doorstep, and was tice over over the limit (I even had a drink in my hand while doing it). I was arrested on my doorstep, taken to the station, and breathalysed again, and that showed twice over the limit, and hour and 15 minutes after bumping the lampost. I was put in a cell, until they decided the reading would be low enough to talk. At court, my solicitor argued my case, but I was advised if i pleaded not guilty, my punishment could be much more severe than just a 2 year ban. A few of my neighbours had given statements which were frankly a pack of lies, maybe they were annoyed I was having a bbq with friends. The statements read more like something the police would say than anything my neighbours could come up with. "I heard a loud bang and I was scared for my life", "a man who i didnt recognise drove at speed into the lampost, then parked in the parking space, and walked off". They had me in a corner, so I pleaded guilty. In retrospect, I should have got a better solicitor, but it was a long time ago.

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