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    • Oh I see! thats confusing, for some reason the terms and conditions that Evri posted in that threads witness statement are slightly different than the t&cs on packlinks website. Their one says enter into a contract with the transport agency, but the website one says enter into a contract with paclink. via website: (c) Each User will enter into a contract with Packlink for the delivery of its Goods through the chosen Transport Agency. via evri witness statement in that thread: (c) Each User shall then enter into its own contract with the chosen Transport Agency. Packlink does not have any control over, and disclaims all liability that may arise in contracts between a User and a Transport Agency I read your post at #251, so I should use the second one (and changing the screenshot in the court bundle), since I am saying I have a contract with Evri? Is that correct EDIT: Oh I understand the rest of your conversation. you're saying if I was to do this i would have to fully adjust my ws to use the consumer rights act instead of rights of third parties. In that case should I just edit the terms and stick with the third parties plan?. And potentially if needed just bring up the CRA in the hearing, as you guys did in that thread  
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    • Thank you. here's the changes I made 1) removed indexed statement of truth 2) added donough v Stevenson in paragraph 40, just under the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982 paragraph about reasonable care and skill. i'm assuming this is a good place for it? 3) reworded paragraph 16 (now paragraph 12), and moved the t&cs paragraphs below it then. unless I understood you wrong it seems to fit well. or did you want me to remove the t&cs paragraphs entirely? attached is the updated draft, and thanks again for the help. WS and court bundle-1 fourth draft redacted.pdf
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Hi guys,

Got a response from my prelim letter, but got a weird reply stating:

 

Dear Mr Webb,

Thank you .......blah de blah

 

Please note the office of fair trading are NOT currently reviewing business accounts at this time and I regret I am unable to offer you a refund of charges.

 

Yours Sincerely

 

Shaun Scott

Senior Business Manager

 

Is this true or a fob off.???

 

 

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Hi guys,

Got a response from my prelim letter, but got a weird reply stating:

 

Dear Mr Webb,

Thank you .......blah de blah

 

Please note the office of fair trading are NOT currently reviewing business accounts at this time and I regret I am unable to offer you a refund of charges.

 

Yours Sincerely

 

Shaun Scott

Senior Business Manager

 

Is this true or a fob off.???

 

 

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Hi guys,

Got a response from my prelim letter, but got a weird reply stating:

 

Dear Mr Webb,

Thank you .......blah de blah

 

Please note the office of fair trading are NOT currently reviewing business accounts at this time and I regret I am unable to offer you a refund of charges.

 

Yours Sincerely

 

Shaun Scott

Senior Business Manager

 

Is this true or a fob off.???

 

its a fob off check out karnevils thread ref bis account:D

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True, but surely by sending a letter fibbing to the contrary will damage their case should it go to court or dont they think that?

 

i will never see the inside of a court. They will try to scare you be entering a defence, also saying you will lose do not worry stick to your guns and timetable. They will pay up in the end.:D

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Thats a good point Stopthethieves, I was going to use that in my LBA but you made a valid point, cheers. Anyone know if this is exactly true because a bank account is a bank account at the end of the day, may it be a business or private one the fees apply to all.

 

 

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Thats a good point Stopthethieves, I was going to use that in my LBA but you made a valid point, cheers. Anyone know if this is exactly true because a bank account is a bank account at the end of the day, may it be a business or private one the fees apply to all.

 

read Karnevils thread ref abbey buis account.

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Hi

 

Exactly the same process for claiming business account charges as personal account charges. Read the business version of the letter before action - and use this as a basic template for your prelim & claim with regards to which statutes to include and which to not include.

 

Hope that helps

 

Karne

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p.s. Can't believe that message from NatWest - its appalling !

 

thanks Karne:D

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Hi Folk, back again with a short and sweet reply to my LBA:

Dear Mr Webb,

Thank you for your letter of 14th September, received today,

As explained in Shaun Scotts Letter of 14th September 2006 the bank is unable to offer a refund of charges.

 

If you wish to continue with legal action please hand any summons or associated legal papers into the local Natwest branch or post to the address above,

 

Yours Sincerely

 

Dylan Griffiths

Area Business Manager

 

What do you folk make of this? seems very cool and calm and we dont care sort of approach..... should i make my move with a follow up letter or just whack em with a claim form

 

 

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Hi All,

"Notice Of Issue" received which only took 48 hours, Natwest have until 23rd October to comply - Needless to say we probably have to wait until the eleventh hour for them to file the defence, but were heading in the right direction!!

 

 

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Keeping you informed, just to let you know they are... surprising as it may sound defending the claim, just delaying tactics as usual, why go to these lengths?. The solicitors must be having a field day with this as well as the courts in the mean time we have to suffer the wait, :confused:

 

 

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Well im sat here munching on finger nails, trying to figure out when the 28 days are up (see signature) I worked out it was today but to give benifit of the doubt we'll go for 7th November. Cobbets usual form is to post in the 11th hour so the 28 days must be tomorrow. Ill keep you posted

 

 

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You seem to be a couple of days behind me, I filed my claim on 1st Oct and received defence Saturday, so yours should be tomorrow. They seem to be leaving everyones til the last minute!!

 

Keep me posted on your progress seeing as though we're at the same stage!! Good Luck!

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