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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi i need some advice really, on good friday i took my car to a chain of garges, for a full service and M-O-T. The mot was due on the 26th which was tuesday, but they said they didnt have time to book in for m-o-t and could only manage the service, - Fair enough.

 

But when arriving to pick up the car, they stated several items were broken and needed to be replaced as it would fail its m-o-t. So with having a family etc, started to panic as we needed to car and didnt have the money to replace the parts required.

 

Rear Coil spring broken - this was the main item it would fail on and would need them replacing in pairs etc

 

and needed all new disc brakes and pads and they were dangerous. and i have this down in writing

 

So i left it at that, and took it to another local garage and explained my problems so i could book them in to be fixed - he took a look, and found nothing to be wrong like the prevous garage has said and its passed its mot (didnt think garages turned away cash)

 

but i just dont think its right for a large chain of garages, to say items are broke when they are not. its fraud and would like to know whats the best way of writing to them to complain etc?

 

thanks in advance

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Favourite hobby horse of mine, having seen so many people end up with bills they needn't have paid :evil:

 

You say it was a chain of garages - a chain who normally specialise in brakes and offer discounted full services and MOTs perhaps? We used to have one near us who advertised half price MOTs and cheap servicing, but amazingly an awful lot of their customers were advised that new brakes, discs, exhausts or tyres were needed for it to pass the MOT!

 

Not much you can do but to write to their Head Office and complain, or to contact the local Trading Standards as far as I am aware, but this isn't really my forte so am happy for others to give any additional advice.

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This garage that wanted to [edit]. Wouldn't happen to have fitters that you can't get better than, would it? You know the song.

You can't get better than a **** fit fitter, You can't get better than a **** fit fitter, You can't get better than a **** fit fitter, we're the boys to trust.

 

It would astonish me if it was because they never, ever suggest work that is completely un-necessary at all. :roll:

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they have been at this for YEARS. But sometimes it backfires on them. Viz:- Old codger goes in with faulty exhaust or something. Sit in waiting area. Foreman/ manager comes after a while and says good news and bad news. Good news is exhaust is fixed, bad news is that rear shocker has gone, but they are only fitted in pairs. OK says the codger, fix them. Later manager comes with bill. Codger takes out cash to pay exhaust only --manager remonstrates, so codger tells him to look in glove compartment where he will find receipt for shocks still under warranty. S-it-- bonus up the spout.

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This garage that wanted to editWouldn't happen to have fitters that you can't get better than, would it? You know the song.

You can't get better than a **** fit fitter,

I'd not have expected the expletive filter to respond to "kwik" - you must have written something more apposite. :lol:

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For info DD,the content was edited as it could be deemed libellous.

This is because there has been an association made between a named trader and the alleged incident.

Had there not been any names,then of course the wording would have been acceptable.

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ltunstall,

 

Yes,you should put something in writing to their HO,and advise that if they are unable to provide you with an acceptable explanation,you will be reporting this to your local Trading Standards.

Its important that you do this,since if no one bothers they continue to get away with it.

You could also look at complaining to any associated trade associations they are subscribed to,since under CPUT,they are required to be upholding recognised codes of conduct and best practice.

Have a look also if the trader is a member of any local council initiatives such as good garage registers/schemes-and report to them also.

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No-of course not,but the edits were done for a reason,and the words felt that could pose a problem were removed.

It does not help that after doing this,the words are re-posted.

Its not rocket science.

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The car could quite possibly be in need of new brake discs and pads even it has just passed an MOT. The tester can't remove anything to get a good look at them, whilst on a service they can remove the wheels to get a good look. The discs could have a good few mm of corrosion all over them and it can't fail an MOT on that. Provided that they haven't got chunks out of them, are not cracked, wafer thin or contaminated they can't fail. To be honest they have to be alot below a gernerally accepted service standard before they can fail a MOT. You can't really replace the discs and re-use the pads.

 

With the spring it's possible that a part of it could be missing from an end, which the testing garage missed and it's good practice (not compulsory) to replace spriings and dampers in axle pairs.

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Once had a similar experience. The one and only time I paid to have a car serviced, had a call to say the disks and pads needed replacing. Told them not to do the work. The service sheet was saying "95%" worn and other "accurate" figures for pad wear. Having the car back from the extortionate service, I removed the wheels, noting a nice "crack" of the wheel nut loosening - not something that happens if the wheel was removed for a proper brake inspection - Measured pad and disk thikcness properly, no more than 65% worn. Also the brake bleed nipple covers were in place and dry underneath. I understood that part of the service was a brake fluid change. Also the cover under the engine was hanging off, as screws were missing.

 

Took car back to the place where it was "serviced" ( a main dealer) and told them to do the work that I had paid for. They said that If I wanted a more accurate brake wear measurement, they could do this, but I would have to pay for it!!!! They were informed that this would not be required. They then claimed a brake fluid change was not required. Well, the book time for the service that I paid for does include the fluid change. A few comings and goings to the sevice managers office and the car was finally serviced properly. Never again.

 

So, perhaps the moral of the story is to take a bit of trouble to learn a little about the car you drive. A little investment in a decent jack and stands and a few tools can save all the hassle of garages trying to sell you parts you do not yet need. Also, it can save you money. £40 for a set of pads and disks, compared with a national chain that wanted £220 to change them.

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Traffer, brake fluid change--I had the exact trouble with Arnold Clark Peugeot. They say it's not on their autodata sheet, but i told them i wanted car serviced as per owners handbook. Only when threatened with reporting to PSA group did they agree to change the fluid.

 

The BIG question is "How many cars are on the road and not properly serviced????" How many people are paying high prices for cars with "Full Dealer Service History" when they are not in fact serviced.

I make no apology for repeating the message "get your local family garage to look after your car"

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another victim of the boys in blue fitter gang by the sound of it !!, they also have a tendency to spray shockers with WD40 and then ask the customer to go and take a look saying that the shockers are leaking !, big business for them up in high places there that lay down financial targets for monthly takings on each branch and of course who gets to pay for all the financial targets??? the consumer of course who else, im sure they should be sending out xmas cards to customers by now to all there loyal customers who give up there spare time and money to be hanging round these places having unessary work done !

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