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The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of the issue of these proceedings in the sum of £49.15 The Claimant claims the sum of £972 What is the total value of the claim? £1112 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? I dont know the details of the PAPDC to know if it was pursuant to paragraph 3, but I did receive a Letter of Claim with a questionaire/form to fill. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? no Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned/purchaser Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I was aware, I'm not certain I received a 'Notice of Assignment' from Capital One but may have been informed the account had been sold without such a title on the letter? Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not since the debt purchase, and not from Capital One. Why did you cease payments? I can't remember - it was the tail end of the pandemic and I may not have had enough income to keep up payments - I am self-employed and work in the event industry - at that time. I also had a bank account that didn't allow direct debits and may have just forgotten payments and became annoyed at fines for late payments. What was the date of your last payment? Appears to be 20/4/2022 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No Here is my Defence: Defence - 1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had an agreement with Capital One but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request.. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. I am unaware of having been served with a Default Notice pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. I am unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment pursuant to the Law and Property Act 1925 Section 136(1) 5. The Defendant has sent a request by way of a section 78 pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, for a copy of the agreement, the Claimant has yet to comply and remains in default of said request. 6. A further request has been made via CPR 31.14 to the Claimants solicitor, requesting disclosure of documents on which the Claimant is basing their claim. The Claimant has not complied and to date nothing has been received. 7. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to: a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and; b) show how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed for and; c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 88 CCA1974 d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim 8. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed 9. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of section 136 of the Law of Property Act and section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. .................. Please note that I had to write a defence quite quickly as I hit the deadline. At the time of writing the defence, I hadn't been able to find correspondence from Capital One, but had since found default letter etc. I submitted CCA request and CPR 31.14. However, I didn't get any proof of postage or use registered post for the CPR (an oversight) but did with the CCA request. I received a pack which included a letter from Overdales, going over the defence I'd filed, as well as letters of Lowells and reprints of letters from Capital One. But I have no idea if this pack is in response to the CCA request or the CPR ! I would have expected two separate responses ... although I do know they are both the same company. Looking over the pack today, and looking through old emails .. I find some discrepancies in the Capital One default letters (notice of default and Claim of default). They are both dated *before* an email I have stating that a default can be avoided. The one single page of agreement sent (so not the full agreement) has a 16 digit number at the top in small print, next to 'Capital One' which corresponds to a number called 'PURN' printed at the top of each of the 10 pages of ins and outs of the account (they're not official statements, but a list of monthly goings) yet no mention anywhere on either of the account number. I cant really scan them at the moment - I can later tomorrow, but that will be after the mediation call I'm sure. I guess I may be on my own for this mediation ... I am not certain the CCA request has been satisfied .. or if the CPR has been . And then I appear to have evidence that the Default notices provided are fabricated ? Yet, I do have (elsewhere ... not at home) Default letters from Capital One I can check ..
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On a morning in March 2010 after no sleep and not feeling totally sober I boarded the bus and bought my ticket. Just as i was about to get off the bus I was stopped by an inspector who asked me to produce my ticket. I could not find my ticket so the inspector began asking for my details. due to my state of mind and the panic that immediately set in I gave my old address and a falso date of birth (along with my correct name and postcode).

 

Today I received a letter (forwarded on from my old address) notifying me that the court has issued a warrant for my arrest becuase I have not paid the money I owe. As soon as i received this letter I called up the relevent Court Enforcement Officer, explained my situation and arranged to be in court the next day. I believe there may have been previous correspondence send to my old address notifying me about monies I owe, however, I was not aware of any such communications despite the current owners of my old house telling the transport department that I was no longer at that address.

 

I am very worried about the results of this visit to court as I am aware that I could receive a criminal conviction, a fine and/or community service. However, I know I am not guilty on the grounds of fare evasion but, obviously, I gave out false information.

 

What can I expect to happen tomorrow in court and what steps can I take to try and minimise the chances of not receiving a criminal conviction as a result of this?

 

Any help, advice or responses relating to this would be hugely appreciated, especially from old hands (old codja) I've seen that have posted on similar threads.

 

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You've almost certainly been found guilty of an offence already reagarding the initial fare evasion thing. I'm sure this hearing is probably to sort out the non-payment of fines, as opposed to the original case. It certainly appears as though the orginal case has been heard in your absence, and you apparently, according to the court, avoided paying a fine they issued you with. This is why a warrant was issued no doubt. Not sure what the procedure is now, and whether further penalties will be levvied? I'm sure if you told the court why you didn't receive any correspondence in the first place, they'll not be best pleased! Not sure whether further offence mof giving false details can be dealt with at this stage, or whether they'll only be interested in why you didn't pay the fine. Wriggler might be able to answer that one!

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If you knew nothing about thr original court hearing you can make a Statutory Declaration under oath in court, this will make void any fines/costs imposed & stop enforcement action being taken against you.

The court will tell the prosecuting authority & they will re-start proceedings against you.

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If you knew nothing about thr original court hearing you can make a Statutory Declaration under oath in court, this will make void any fines/costs imposed & stop enforcement action being taken against you.

The court will tell the prosecuting authority & they will re-start proceedings against you.

Plaese forgive my ignorance, but would that be a viable option, given that the reason the OP didn't know about the original hearing was his own doing?
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Some very useful comments, so thank you for those.

I think Stigy is right though; the reason I didn't know about the original court date was because I provided false information in the first place.

Assuming that i was found guilty in my absense of the fare evasion charge, am I right in thinking I have a criminal record and if so, how serious is this with regards to getting a job?

What kind of conviction would the "unpaid fines" be (fraud, theft etc)?

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Some very useful comments, so thank you for those.

I think Stigy is right though; the reason I didn't know about the original court date was because I provided false information in the first place.

Assuming that i was found guilty in my absense of the fare evasion charge, am I right in thinking I have a criminal record and if so, how serious is this with regards to getting a job?

What kind of conviction would the "unpaid fines" be (fraud, theft etc)?

Haven't got a clue about unpaid fines I'm afraid, but assuming you were found guilty of a fare evasion offence, you'll have any outstanding fine (probably plus enhancements!) and a criminal conviction. I'm not sure if the buses have similar to the railways where there is a seperate act (5.3 RRA) which contains intention to avoid payment (fare evasion), or whether their Byelaws cover everything.

 

How relevent it will be to employment very much depends on what you're wanting to do work wise. If attempting to joing MI5/6, you'll probably be rejected at the first hurdle, lol. I'll be open here and say that I was convicted of what I would describe as a fairly mediocre motoring offence some years ago now, and because the conviction was 4.5 as opposed to 5 years old when going for my current job, the police rejected my initial vetting application. I was accepted after some grovelling etc. Bear in mind my vetting is beyond that of an Enhanced CRB check though (although not quite MI5), and is done 'in-house' by a Police force.

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Plaese forgive my ignorance, but would that be a viable option, given that the reason the OP didn't know about the original hearing was his own doing?

 

Whether by ignorance or design, it is a safeguard built into the justice system.

All he has to say is that he didnt know about the proceedings until a letter was forwarded to him stating a warrant had been issued.

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Well considering I'm going for a job as a Navy Officer i think I might have to do a fair bit of grovelling too.

Thanks again for all your advice.

In that case your vetting will be on a par with mine I'd imagine, having said that I've seen all sorts getting in to the Army/Navy, lol. Play it by ear, and just be honest on any application forms, because if you don't tell an employer something that they later find out themselves, if you have the job by such time you can expect not to have it much longer, or if you're in the application stage, it's even easier just to reject the application!

 

Whether by ignorance or design, it is a safeguard built into the justice system.

All he has to say is that he didnt know about the proceedings until a letter was forwarded to him stating a warrant had been issued.

Thanks for the heads up ;)
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I see 'no difficulty' in getting a Court to allow you to make a statutory declaration. At the time that you make your declaration, it is pretty unlikely that the Tfl prosecutor would be in Court, and less likely that he would have the case papers for this offence.

 

The 'delaration' is simple. 'I did not know about the Court case until 20(?) December, that being a date after the case was heard. The Court will probably ask if you can explain why you think you didn't get the summons, the answer i 'it ain't my address on it'. I have heard much thinner declarations being made, some of them as pathetic as the old 'my dog ate my homework' stories we all used to tell at school.

 

Moving on from that, the Prosecution will be informed of yout Stat. Dec. and will serve the papers on you again. It gives you the opportunity to enter a plea. Without seeing all the evidence, I cannot state 'you will be found guilty' or 'don't worry, you will get away with it', but it seems likely that you should plead guilty, the false address would seem to 'close' the matter. (I think.)

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As to whether a conviction will stop you being a Naval Officer, I do not know. Best you pop along to the Navy recruitment office and ask. The Armed Forces do expect a very high degree of propriety in 'officer' materiel, and they have many more applicants than positions.

 

On it's own, a minor embarrassment over a bus ticket would not normally stop a career, but during the recruitment processes, all 'flaws' in the character of the applicant are looked at and taken 'on board'. It certainly will not help you to impress 'the Lordships'. It may be that a silvery tongued counsel might manage to convince a Court that an absolute discharge would be appropriate, given (one assumes) your previous untarnished name, and the circumstances of the offence. The argument would have to be based on the disproportionate effect of a conviction on your intended career.

 

I saw such an argument used by a young man who was part way through the process to become an RAF officer, he already was on a University placement, and was attached to a University Air Squadron. His case was much worse than yours in as much as he had altered a travel warrant to fraudulently obtain a train ticket. The Court (in my view wrongly) dismissed the case. I felt that the Court had taken a 'much wider' view of things, and felt that, as the young man was the first person all day to have either a job or prospect of a job, and first to wear a tie and speak 'properly', they did not want to condemn him to a life of explaining why he failed to 'get in' to the RAF. I agreed with the 'justice' of what they did, but not the 'legal position'. Must be said, he did have a 'good solicitor'. And he was 'lucky'. Different Bench, different day, it could have been a very different result.

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I cannot see any difficulty with making a Stutory Declaration either, but it would be a very good idea to plead guilty to any new Summons if I were you.

 

The evidence of you having failed to show a valid ticket and giving a false address in an attempt to avoid a liability would be pretty damming so far as I can see.

 

A guilty plea at the earliest opportunity once you were made aware of the case and a lesser fine as a result would be the very least you should expect.

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