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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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I'm afraid I'm stuck in the dark ages and don't have a scanner! I am sneakily doing this at my desk at work and don't have the letter with me but will be sure to type it up here tomorrow. I'm sure you are right though!

 

Thanks again.

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Ok, don't worry. Just type it up when you get the chance. The important bit is the directions to you, the claimant. Its just some of them request different evidance to others, ie, one of my directions was to present specific evidance supporting my claim that the charges are a penalty as opposed to a 'service'. On the other hand, some are simpler. The standard directions, which is what I suspect you may have, justs requests all the evidance and documents you are relying on to be filed and served 14 days prior to the hearing.

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Hi Gary if you are there (or anyone else)

 

This is the letter I received from the court dated 31st October, which I think maybe my directions:

 

Notice of Allocation to the Small Claims Track (Hearing)

 

DISTRICT JUDGE XXXXX has considered the statements of case and allocation questionnaires filed and allocated the claim to the small claims track.

 

The hearing of the claim will take place at 14:00 on the 23rd February 2007 at XXXX County Court and should take no longer than 1 hour.

 

The court must be informed immediately if the case is settled by agreement before the hearing date.

 

Each party shall deliver to every other party and to the court office copies of all documents (including any experts' report) on which he intends to rely at the hearing no later than 14 days before the hearing.

 

The original documents shall be brought to the hearing.

 

Date: 31 October 2006

 

TAKE NOTICE THAT THIS SMALL CLAIM HEARING IS BLOCK LISTED AT 2.00PM WITH OTHER SMALL CLAIMS HEARINGS

 

Cases are listed in accordance with local hearing arrangements determined by the Judiciary and implemented by court staff. Every effort is made to ensure that hearings start either at the time specified or as soon as possible thereafter. However, listing practises or other factors may mean that delay is unavoidable. Furthermore, in some instances a case may be released to another judge, possibly at a different court. Please contact the court for further information on the listing arrangements that may apply to your hearing.

 

It would be great if you could help me clarify if this is infact my directions or just a notice. Also, is it better to sort out my documents and send them off sooner rather than later?

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Hi Leamarie,

 

Yes, thats a notice of allocation to the small claims track and your directions. Nothing complicated, its just the standard directions. You've got plenty of time to get it all sorted too. I have'nt got much time at the moment, but I'll come back to your thread later to go through what you need. In the meantime, have a look at the court bundle in the templates - the majority of it is there.

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That's brilliant thanks again!

 

One slight problem though, when I tried to open the Basic Court Bundle, I opened it using Word and its just not working, any suggestions? I have to use the computer at work in my lunch break as I can't access this website on my PC at home.

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One slight problem though, when I tried to open the Basic Court Bundle, I opened it using Word and its just not working, any suggestions?

 

 

Hi guys, sorry does anyone have any ideas on how I can open this as I am not very good with computers but need to get started on my preperations for court.

 

Thank you :grin:

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Hi Leamarie,

 

I can try to send it as an e-mail attachment if you like? If so, PM me your e- mail address.

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At Last! Excellant, well done :)

 

Better get another load of paper in as well, with 3 copies of everything all mine totalled over 300 pages!

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Hi,

 

No haven't heard a single thing from them since I sent that letter to say 'So you want to settle? So settle.' I haven't even prepared my court bundle yet and as far as I can see everyone who has received payment are ahead of me slightly. They will probably wait until the day before going to court knowing my luck!!!

 

So you have received an offer too? Is it a full and unconditional one? Actually I will go and check out your thread...

 

Leamarie ;)

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Hi, as you can see it has conditions ... just struggling to decide what to do to be honest. On the one hand I want the money in my account.. and the conditions arent really going to make any difference to me - on the other I think why should I accept conditons ... if I dont it may add delays and I am not sure I can be bothered waiting anymore, after all it is full settlement. What would you do?

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Sorry if I am being a complete doughnut but I can't find your thread! Where is it please? Re. the conditions Gary H and a couple of others held out for a full and unconditional offer and I don't think it took much longer, so it may be worth thinking about.

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Hi Leamarie,

 

I'm sure your settlement will come fairly soon. If you can, I'd get your bundle off as soon as you possibily can. You should then find that a settlement follows not long after they receive it. Also, you can try putting a bit more pressure on them with regard to their asking for a delay to settle and then not even contacting you. Here's another letter you can use if you like;

 

Dear Sir/Madam,

 

** weeks have now elapsed since I received your clients allocation questionnaire, which indicated your intention to resolve the matters detailed above by way of negotiation. You did in fact request that the court order a stay for this purpose.

 

To date, you or your client have made no attempt whatsoever to engage in dialogue and my last letter to you of **/**/** has not even been afforded the courtesy of an acknowledgement. As it were you who requested a stay be ordered to negotiate, I must say I find your intransigent attitude both surprising and unacceptable.

 

I am writing on the assumption that your request to the court was made in utmost good faith and with the genuine intention of resolving the matter in hand, rather than merely an attempt to further delay proceedings in this case. I trust that as the representative of a reputable and esteemed organisation, you would not hold the court in such contempt as to abuse the system in the manner to which a false indication such as this would equate.

 

I will therefore assume that your failure to contact me is merely an oversight. As this oversight has now been drawn to your attention, I will again await your proposals for the resolution of this matter and I trust this will come within the next 7 days. Should you not respond positively within this time, I will make representations directly to the judge dealing with this case and request that your conduct be investigated and dealt with accordingly.

 

A copy of this letter has also been sent to the court.

 

Yours faithfully

 

Fingers crossed that should get you a settlement offer. Make sure you send a copy to the court as well.

 

As for conditions, yes I refused them becouse the principle was more important than the money and I just could'nt bere to let them have the last word. Many others have also refused and still got their payouts. Lets face it, Lloyds will not step foot inside a court to defend a claim whether their conditions are accepted or not. As I've always said though, its down to each individual claimant to decide whether or not they want to accept them. Refusing them can lead to a delay and principles are all very well but they don't pay the rent unfortunately! I was also in the fortunate position of having other claims settled just before, so I could afford to hold out for longer. I waited a couple of months for the final settlement, but in most other cases its usually a week or two. Freebird waited an extra week for hers.

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Just posted this in my thread as it could be relevant...

 

Reading back over this post - I have just checked the figures in the settlement offer, they are £40 quid short. It was Gary that suggested checking them (cheers gary) I am going to give SCM a call tomorrow (Monday). I will ask how thay came to that sum as it falls short of the original claim - I have also thought about the conditions and decided not to accept the ones about confidentiality and the one about incuring more charges if I go OD again. Will keep you posted.

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Thanks again Gary, yes I am going to try and get the bundle sorted within the next week. Will try this letter first and if I've heard nothing after the 7 days stated in the letter, I will send off the bundle ;)

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Hi,

Just a quick update to say nothing much has happened. I sent off that letter a couple of weeks ago to say 'its been 3 weeks since I last wrote to you, when you indicated your clents wanted a one month stay to negotiate settlement' etc. Nothing heard back from the bank/solicitors at all! Still trying to sort out my court bundles though, maybe when they receive that it will start the ball rolling. It feels as though I'm being left behind a little at the moment with all the positive outcomes that have been happening over the last few weeks. :-(

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Don't worry too much, yours is'nt that far away. Trouble is SC&M are'nt under a great deal of pressure to settle at the moment with the court date that far away. As you say, get your bundle off and it could prompt them to settle earlier. Include an amended version of my ststement of evidance as well if you like - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloydstsb-successes/7744-garyh-lloyds-tsb-unconditionally-3.html#post339177

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Hi everyone,

not been here for a while and I'm starting to panic a little now. My court bundle has to be submitted in 4 weeks and I haven't even started, partly due to the fact my computer has been giving me trouble for the last few weeks and now I need a new part for my printer!!!

Just to clarify, have I simply got to print off the court bundle and add in my letters to and from bank, schedule of charges and statement of evidence as kindly supplied to Gary H?

It does sound very simple but I've got a terrible feeling when I start something will go wrong!

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ha ha we all have that feeling, as long as you put your documents with the court bundle your ok, there's no need to panic, even though i dont know why i'm saying that i'm due in court a week monday and so far havent had anything from scm, but thats what everyone else says to me

 

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Just to clarify, have I simply got to print off the court bundle and add in my letters to and from bank, schedule of charges and statement of evidence as kindly supplied to Gary H?

Yep, thats it Leamarie. Simple as that!;)

 

You've got plenty of time. Don't panic, just do it bit by bit. Make sure its all nicely ordered and indexed, and remember you need to send one bundle to the court, one to SC&M and keep one (including original docs) yourself.

 

You're on the final lap now - you can almost see the finishing line!:)

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Thanks again Gary, just a quickie though... this may sound really stupid but when I include my statements do I include them all or do I include only the ones with charges on them? Also I am claiming for 3 accounts but don't have all the statements for 1 account, I have estimated the sum owed from the statements I do have. Do I need to elaborate on this in my bundle or just submit the statements I have? Basically how likely is it that they are going to check through all my paperwork? One more thing where do I put the Statement of Evidence?

Cheers :confused:

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