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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
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I Know It Well

 

All Basic Was Done In Winchester

 

That Goes For The Green Jackets As Well As The Light Infentry

 

Junior Leaders Was Done In Sutton Coldfield

 

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What Does The C Stand For In C Company

 

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push it all you want i am not rgj i do not know lol, i believe you guys were formed by the essex rifles and poss the devon and dorsets tho i could be wrong but anyway im sick of trying to prove a point i dont need to know, i shall leave you guys to it im off down the naafi, have fun, oh and as for the guy who thinks im in wellingbro , keep smoking it mate pmsl

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There Are A Lot Of People On The Forum Who Are Ex Army

 

Cerber Knows Why I Asked For The First Three Didgits

 

And If You Are Still In The Army, The Number Of Didgits Is Of No Relevance For Security Puposes

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oh and i guess sharp did his basic at vimy and got his challenger fixed on leyburn road did he lol seriously mate chill out, however i would look into that essex rifles thing, like i said i could be wrong but in the depths of my memory something is telling me im right ???

how about i tell you your army kit is issued from a g1198, we fill in work tickets before we drive a vehicle, our living gear comes from the accom store, med stores d med ludgershall, stores from donnington or bicester, sa80s are ****, and all squaddies go out on a thursday night !!!!!! pmsl !

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tell you what guys i had a point of view that was different to yours, i stand by what i said but this is not going on all night, i do not need to prove myself to you or anyone else in fact i am suprised how long i have tried for, i am going to go now and enjoy myself and leave you bickering on here cos whatever i say is never good enough to get anything other than the third degree from you, its a shame but just cos i dont agree with you does not mean for a moment i have to prove myself to you all night, i wish you goodnight and no hard feelings but im bored of this game, for the final time goodnight.

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The only issue I have with Minivan's comment is that he says 'if we were not stupid enough to get into debt'. His debts might be due to his own stupidity, but many people are in debt because of bereavement, illness, divorce and so on. Sweeping judgements are not helpful.

 

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perhaps your right i should not have made such a sweeping statement, i am more mad at myself for allowing this to happen to me than anything, i was stupid, im sure a lot of other people were just as stupid as me hower i know others had probs out of there control , however the only point i ever tried to make is that mkrr were decent with me, and i seemed to be getting ripped apart for it, i contacted them back cos i wanted to clear up my own mess, they appreciated it and helped me and thats all i have tried to say, this is an open forum and i gave my point of view, AND AS FOR THAT GUY WHO KEEP TELLING ME I LIVE IN WELLINGBORO YOUR WRONG AND YOUR BORING ME WITH IT your entitled to your own points of view as i am to mine, i shall not be answering anymore questions on my background or my work life i need to prove nothing to you guys i took you all at your word as to who you are and it seems some of you could not offer that simple bit of respect back to me cos i was man enough to stand up with a different point of view !

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With Reference This Thread

 

Its Very Rare For Me To Go Tooth And Nail With A New Cagger But I Made An Exception In This Case

 

Many People On The Forum Are Ex-army And The Questions I Asked Would Be Answered Double Time.

 

Minivan1980 Failed To Answer Not One Of My Questions Which Were No Way Sensative

 

I Have No Objections To People Who Work For A Dca Comming Onto The Forum As Long As They Are Open From The Start

 

If Indeed You Dont Work For A Dca Then I Appologise But Ive Seen It All Before,

 

A New Cagger SAYING HOW GOOD A DCA ARE Who Then Turn Out To Be Working For One

 

Its Very Hard To Disguise Your Self If Not Genuine And You Open Yourself Up To Suspicion

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AND AS FOR THAT GUY WHO KEEP TELLING ME I LIVE IN WELLINGBORO YOUR WRONG AND YOUR BORING ME WITH IT

 

It's because your IP address says you are from there (where your broadband router says you are from - visit What Is My IP Address? Lookup IP, Hide IP, Change IP, Trace IP and more... to see what it is). You probably have a dynamic IP, so switch off your router (your broadband box) for a few minutes and then back on, and then revisit the above link.

You should find that your set of numbers (your IP address) changes to a different one in the country. With a dynamic IP, you can live in Kent and have an IP address in North Manchester, then when changed be in Plymouth - it simply chooses the first one available.

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I must say the initial reference to MKRR as "Clowns" does not seem to be particularly well researched, I had welcome finance for a car, I lost my job and the debt was sold to MKRR who handled the debt in a very responsible and helpful manner, far better than welcome had ever done.

It is easy to jump on the backs of debt collection agencies and curse them, however if we were not stupid enough to get ourselves into debt in the first place companies like mkrr would not need to exist, I view it as it was me who borrowed the money so its me who will pay it back, MKRR have gone out of there way to help me through this and perhaps you guys need to look at your own failings before you judge, after all they would not be contacting you if you were paying back the money that you agreed to pay back when you borrowed it, YOU SIGNED THE CONTRACTS AND YOU SPENT THE MONEY !!!

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Hi minivan,

 

With respect, its my personal view that MKRR are clowns as they have repeatedly ignored my dispute which now the FOS are dealing with..I refuse to pay what has already been paid for, does that make sense to you??

 

If you have had good dealings with MKRR the well done im pleased for you however not everybody has the same relationship with DCA'S as you have, so please dont take the stance you have or feel personally insulted by my comments.. The end of the day you have good dealings with them, I havent had good dealing with them and by the look of some of these threads on here a lot of people would agree with me.

 

As a former TA soldier myself I know what kind of s**t you can get in being in debt whist being in the armed forces..

What puzzles me is that you managed to get into the army whist being in debt, I myself was refused an S-Type due to the fact that I had some outstanding debt and my outgoings were more than the income the army would pay..

 

Never mind that thought.. I respect your opinion and id apreciate it if you would respect mine, lets agree to disagree shall we say.

 

Take care

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The Army isn't at all sure how to deal with people in debt. Officially, it's a private matter, unless it impinges on operational efficiency or security. However, there are still various people at regimental level who don't seem to have heard, or who think they can do what they like in their own fiefdom.

 

The other day I looked at JSP400 on DII and discovered that it says (on the subject of disclosing data without consent) that a serviceperson's address may not be given out to a creditor, but "the matter may be referred to the debtor's Commanding Officer if that is the creditor's wish". It's unlikely that this would happen because the creditor would probably breach the DPA by doing it, but I know several Coy Cmds, UWOs and RSMs who'd revel in digging into soldiers' private business. On the other hand, I know more who would be keen to help and would probably cause the DCA more problems.

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ive been dealing with a few threads now to do with mkrr and welcome

 

ive yet to see a credit file being updated with mkrr now being the creditor, after welcome have confirmed the debt being assigned to mkrr

 

the persons credit file still shows as welcome, not mkrr as the creditor

 

still digging on this lot

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Im not to sure where my GF stands with this but as said before the HP was paid off via GAP insurance we had a letter saying this was so but she didnt keep the letter stating this, i mean whos was to know that 2yrs down the line she would be getting chased for it, however MKRR sent a loan statement and on it said DEBT WRITTEN OFF on the 05/03/10 but in the letter they sent with this they state that was the date they took over the debt? Could someone please advise as its a bit confusing.

Ive still gone ahead with the complaint to the FOS as the account was illegally sold to them as it was in dispute for months with The Lewis Group

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send an SAR to the company who sent you the letter saying that debt was paid off they should have a copy of it. Even welcome finance keep the letters they send out which was great for me as I now have proof of closure as well as others.

 

my own point of view on MKRR is that the telephone staff seem to be helpful & the company have yet to cause me a problem (I say YET!!) lets see if they change when I send them a letter saying they have no right to pursue the debt as welcome issued me with a dodgy DN (unlawful rescission etc etc)

 

if you read this Postggj could you help me draught a letter as people seem to be ignoring my Welcome thread

 

thanks

 

Martyn

 

PS perhaps the OP of this thread can have it back now as minivan seems to have dissapeared (wonder why that is ?)

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