Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

    • The case against the US-based ride-hailing giant is being brought on behalf of over 10,800 drivers.View the full article
    • I have just read the smaller print on their signs. It says that you can pay at the end of your parking session. given that you have ten minutes grace period the 35 seconds could easily have been taken up with walking back to your car, switching on the engine and then driving out. Even in my younger days when I used to regularly exceed speed limits, I doubt I could have done that in 35 seconds even when I  had a TR5.
    • Makers of insect-based animal feed hope to be able to compete with soybeans on price.View the full article
    • Thank you for posting up the results from the sar. The PCN is not compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4. Under Section 9 [2][a] they are supposed to specify the parking time. the photographs show your car in motion both entering and leaving the car park thus not parking. If you have to do a Witness Statement later should they finally take you to Court you will have to continue to state that even though you stayed there for several hours in a small car park and the difference between the ANPR times and the actual parking period may only be a matter of a few minutes  nevertheless the CEL have failed to comply with the Act by failing to specify the parking period. However it looks as if your appeal revealed you were the driver the deficient PCN will not help you as the driver. I suspect that it may have been an appeal from the pub that meant that CEL offered you partly a way out  by allowing you to claim you had made an error in registering your vehicle reg. number . This enabled them to reduce the charge to £20 despite them acknowledging that you hadn't registered at all. We have not seen the signs in the car park yet so we do not what is said on them and all the signs say the same thing. It would be unusual for a pub to have  a Permit Holders Only sign which may discourage casual motorists from stopping there. But if that is the sign then as it prohibits any one who doesn't have a permit, then it cannot form a contract with motorists though it may depend on how the signs are worded.
    • Defence and Counterclaim Claim number XXX Claimant Civil Enforcement Limited Defendant XXXXXXXXXXXXX   How much of the claim do you dispute? I dispute the full amount claimed as shown on the claim form.   Do you dispute this claim because you have already paid it? No, for other reasons.   Defence 1. The Defendant is the recorded keeper of XXXXXXX  2. It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with the Claimant. 3. As held by the Upper Tax Tribunal in Vehicle Control Services Limited v HMRC [2012] UKUT 129 (TCC), any contract requires offer and acceptance. The Claimant was simply contracted by the landowner to provide car-park management services and is not capable of entering into a contract with the Defendant on its own account, as the car park is owned by and the terms of entry set by the landowner. Accordingly, it is denied that the Claimant has authority to bring this claim. 4. In any case it is denied that the Defendant broke the terms of a contract with the Claimant. 5. The Claimant is attempting double recovery by adding an additional sum not included in the original offer. 6. In a further abuse of the legal process the Claimant is claiming £50 legal representative's costs, even though they have no legal representative. 7. The Particulars of Claim is denied in its entirety. It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief at all. Signed I am the Defendant - I believe that the facts stated in this form are true XXXXXXXXXXX 01/05/2024   Defendant's date of birth XXXXXXXXXX   Address to which notices about this claim can be sent to you  
  • Recommended Topics

  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
      • 161 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like
  • Recommended Topics

RLP - Require Help


style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 5215 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Recommended Posts

Today I was accused of shop lifting in a major high street store. I was looking at sun glasses, worth £12 and when I picked them up I had a phone call which I took. Sub consciously I put the glasses in my pocket, and walked out the store. I was stopped outside by the security guards and taken to a holding cell where they took my details. I am under 18, but they didnt call my parents. I then paid the amount for the glasses and then given a Civil Recovery notice, and told that I would have to pay for the losses.

 

I was with two other friends who were caught aswell with items ranging £6-19. I am wondering when should I expect the notice to come to my house, and what prices I am looking at to pay, and any other details you can disclose.

 

Thanks. P.S No police were involved and I did not sign anything

Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, you have paid for the glasses so that's all they would have lost, and they haven't lost it because you paid for them. As an under 18 I don't think they can charge you for anything anyway... although that may depend how much under 18 you are.

 

And it will probably be the seemingly standard RLP £137.50 thing which is going to be OTT for a few minutes' security guard time, which is presumably all they can otherwise tenuously claim; even though the security guards were presumably at work and would have been anyway, had you walked out with them or not.

 

Also, you didn't steal anything because you accidentally walked out, not intentionally, and also you didn't permanently deprive them of anything since you paid for the goods.

The above post constitutes my personal opinion on the facts in the post compared with my personal knowledge of the applicable legislation. I make no guarantees of its legal accuracy. If you are in doubt seek advice of a legal professional specialising in the area concerned.

 

If my post has helped you please click my scales!

Link to post
Share on other sites

I was with two other friends who were caught aswell with items ranging £6-19.

 

does that mean that your friends accidently walked out as well?

If I have been helpful please tickle my scales or better still contribute to CAG.

Link to post
Share on other sites

My friends were in a seperate holding cell, I assume they did steal it and owned up.

 

Did the store link you all together in the end?

On the face of it the store involved probably think you were all an organised shoplifting gang.

I dont think there is much defence to fight against seeing as all three of you got caught, although as you say yours was accidental.

If I have been helpful please tickle my scales or better still contribute to CAG.

Link to post
Share on other sites

just who put holding cell . are you saying the store had a holding cell or the police put you in a holding cell @ a police station ?????

 

private companys CANNOT HAVE A HOLDING CELL :eek:

 

In the store, at the back they had rooms to search us.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Is it possible to not recieve an RPL letter even though you got a notice? If the items taken were under £20, and then later on paid for is it possible to not get fined at all. And also, if we do get fined, how will the procedure take place, and do we have to sign anything?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok, so you were with two mates, all of you pocketed stuff and walked out, and it just happens that your two mates were actually shoplifting and you weren't? Then you have another friend who was caught shop lifting?

 

Goodness.

Link to post
Share on other sites

If I have been helpful please tickle my scales or better still contribute to CAG.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Two threads merged, thanks for the 'heads up', boswell.

 

dilz621, please continue to post on this thread.

Any advice I give is honest and in good faith.:)

If in doubt, you should seek the opinion of a Qualified Professional.

If you can, please donate to this site.

Help keep it up and active, helping people like you.

If you no longer require help, please do what you can to help others

RIP: Rooster-UK - MARTIN3030 - cerberusalert

Link to post
Share on other sites

Maroon, no threads are specified, and I the police werent involved. Does this mean I can still get a Criminal conviction? If I pay the fine, and leave it at that, is that the end of it? When should I be expecting the letter to arrive?

Link to post
Share on other sites

you cannot get a criminal conviction if the police and criminal courts are not involved

 

it is not a fine its the typical RLP [problem] with threats to take you to a civil court, which there is no loss they can prove, they wont even try to take you to court

 

its a civil matter, they cannot demand you pay anything, unless they are stupid enough to take it to a civil court , and then they have to win ( you have already paid for the item, I hope you have the item because after paying for it , if they took it back its theft by them )

 

take a litle time to read other posts on RLP and you will see what they are really doing , there are investigation and MP's involved looking into RLP and others like them , to what they are doing including their so called register of "dishonest people" which their right under the DPA is being challenged to even have one,

 

some months back the building industry who had a similar secret database about workers, and got into a lot of hot water over it and it had to be destroyed, which is probably the same way RLP's register will go shortly

..

Link to post
Share on other sites

I've had a look around, people are saying they'd rather pay the fine and some people have challenged it, but I would also like to find the info for my friends aswell. When should the letter arrive? The security guard in the shop said that because its minor items it wont be a lot of money, and secondly he said it will be about 6-7 months to arrive because I am 16, and they are 17. Just turned 17 this month. And my bday is not for another long time

Link to post
Share on other sites

I have read it, ok it may not be a fine, but even if I do get the letter, and dont pay, they have to take me to civil court to get the money right? And because I reimbursed the money for the items(all of us did) then they cant demand we pay anything. If however, they do send a letter, what should I do? Thanks

Link to post
Share on other sites

I have the item now, they made sure they gave it to me before they let me go. If they do send a letter, ill be on here. Thanks a lot kip, you've given me some piece of mind :D

 

Just a final question, if I do get a letter, when should I expect it? And of course I dont have to pay, whats the chances of them taking action in civil court?

Link to post
Share on other sites

civil action for what ? all the items were paid for by everyone ,

 

right final note , DONT do it again and tell your mates the same, next time the police may be involved and you all could land up with criminal records that will follow you for the rest of your lives,

 

all in all lets hope its a lesson learnt,

..

Link to post
Share on other sites

I have the item now, they made sure they gave it to me before they let me go. If they do send a letter, ill be on here. Thanks a lot kip, you've given me some piece of mind :D

 

Just a final question, if I do get a letter, when should I expect it? And of course I dont have to pay, whats the chances of them taking action in civil court?

 

diltz621, from my experience, RLP are pretty quick at sending out their letters, so if you are to receive one, it will be within a couple of days. Their 'normal' amount of money they request is usually anywhere between £70 - £135 (sorry to scare you with that, but just so you can know what to expect).

 

The chances of them taking you to court are absolutely zero, zilch, none!! You are under 18 so there is no way! And even if you were over 18, it's still slim to none! Are you able to confide in your parents about this?

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...