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    • Speaking of the reformatory boys, here they are with all of their supporters, some of whom traveled with them from miles away, all carefully crammed together and photographed to look like there were more than about 80 .. rather like Farages last rally with even fewer people crammed around what looked like an ice cream van or mobile tea bar ... Although a number in the crowd apparently thought they were at a vintage car rally as they appeared to be chanting 'crank-her'. A vintage Bentley must be out of view.   Is this all there is? Its less than the Tory candidate. - shut up and smile while they get a camera angle that looks better
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A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
    • Commentary June 2024 WWW.ELECTORALCALCULUS.CO.UK Interesting article about just how bad it could be for the Tories.  Also Tories could be hoping on Reform not having candidates in many seats, as they were not ready.  
    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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hi jane try the Co-op if you dont have any debt at the time of yoru Bankruptcy as you will be refused one.

 

You can try Barclays but you will have to apply in branch and ask for a basic account it is called cash card account . I have one and i am happy with them.

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if you have nol luck with either of them at all then i will advise you think banking. this is a basic account with a monthly fee (12 pounds) but no credit check and use it as a last resort when all else fails .

good luck

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Also try the Natwest step account

there is only 2 bank who let undischarge bankrutp to open and keep a bank account . .the co-op and barclays .

have a look form the FSA link

 

http://www.moneymadeclear.fsa.gov.uk/HTML/en/products/bank_accounts/basic_bank_accounts_popup.htm

irt clearly sais that record of bankruptcy and fraud they will not let you keep or open a bank account

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I am still with Natwest,But i do have a 1400 overdraft facility,I havent been made Bankrupt yet my appointment with the court is the 12th of nov,So have been advised to open another account,Thankyou to all of you for your replies,I am very grateful,A bit simple when it comes to this really,x

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Do make provisions for a new account. Just in case.

You dont have to use it. It just makes life easier.

There is a possibility that Nats will close your account.

I walked into the COOP and walked out again 10 minutes later with an account.

I went back to Nats when i realised that they werent going to close my account.

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They will definatly withdraw your overdraft facility as you are not allowed credit of over £500 without informing the lender. So as DG says make provisions for another account. Co-op is very easy. I opened one like DG but as Natwest didn't close mine i kept using that.

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Strange as Natwest let me keep my Step and Savings account

 

And me. They never closed it, and i am still using it.

 

 

maybe you are just an exception i can tell you that the general practice is that they do not let you keep it unless they are making you a favour. maybe you should read the FSA link i enclosed

i suggest that you both read this link

 

Bank Accounts & Bankruptcy - MoneySavingExpert.com Forums

 

and especailly this one from FSA guidelines

http://www.moneymadeclear.fsa.gov.uk/pdfs/bank_accounts.pdf

especailly page 4 If any of the following apply to you, your application may be declined Undischarged bankrupt, record of fraud.

 

it is not becasue you have one acooutn with them that it is a general practice , sometimes there is an exception to the rule but only sometimes !

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Phat. **EDITED**.

Times are changing and banks are wising upto the fact that BRs are on a massive increase.

 

Quoted from page 4. The emphasis being on " MAY BE DECLINED "

 

 

If any of the following

apply to you,

your application

may be declined

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Phat. **EDITED**.

Times are changing and banks are wising upto the fact that BRs are on a massive increase.

Totally agree.

 

unless they are making you a favour.
Banks don't do favours. The reason they kept it open is because it is there policy to let BR's retain a Step Account. You shouldn't believe everything you read especially when you have facts proving to the contrary Edited by car2403
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i think dodgy geezer and toddle you should have read this part of the application process, and thisis what iam referrgin isn saying that the OP application may be refused

 

"We may obtain information about you from credit reference agencies and Group records to check your credit status and identity. The agencies will record our enquiries which may be seen by other companies who make their own credit enquiries. We may use credit scoring.

Your application will be assessed using credit reference agency records relating to anyone with whom you have a joint account or similar financial association. If this is a joint application and such a link does not already exist then one may be created now. These links will remain until you file a "notice of disassociation" at the credit reference agencies."

 

then on the bottom it says

"By continuing with this application you are agreeing that we may use your information in this way."

 

then you will see this clause from their term o and condtion form step account

 

"1.3.1 We may make periodic searches at credit reference agencies and

will provide information to the Group to manage and take

decisions about your accounts. This may include information

about how you manage your account including your account

balance, credit limit and any arrears. We will also provide this

information to credit reference agencies who may make this

information available to other organisations so that they can take

decisions about you, your associates and members of your

household. This information may also be used for tracing purposes."

 

then after seeing that you have both an account with Natwest i decided to tried it myself and this question arised " "have you /ever been declared bankrupt ? " so fo courseyou have to answer yes and h i was declined for failing the credit score. ..

 

what i have suggested to the OP is a realistic and viable option that has been the norm in the previous year. this accoutn althouh basic, they have accepted throughotu the years undischarged bankrupt as they do not do a credit record search . thus i suggest this is maybe a safer option for the OP than trying and trying to be turn down ...

 

it is tis true that insovency is on the rise but you should be carefull by suggesting that the Br amy become sympathetic to the case of BR, you will find that in the majority it is far from the truth.

Moreover the Op has already an overdraft of 1400 pounds which i suspect that NATWESt wil not let her keep her accoutn .. oh by the way previosu ot my Br i had a joint step account and an advantage gold account which was closed by Natwest when they heard my BR order as paarently " it is nto thier polciy to maintain an accoutn with an undischarged Bankrupt" their word not mine .

I suggest that you have a through look on this board

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.html?f=136

and you will find that many BR people have difficulty getting bank account .

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Phat i just fail to see your point.

 

You keep repeating yourself.

 

Do you know what the word " MAY " means. ?

 

An application MAY BE refused if you are, or are about to be made Bankrupt.

Nobody is deputing this. What we are saying, well i am anyway, is that the banks realise that there is a market for Bankrupts and people with bad credit.

 

Being bankrupt does not mean that they wont give you an account, only maybe.

 

Thats MAY decline your application.

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I suggest that you have a through look on this board

 

I wish you would stop 'suggesting' to me what i should do I find it offensive.

 

You have a very blinkered view of things and seem to believe that only your view is correct. The fact that Dodgy and myself both have bank accounts with Natwest proves you are wrong and that you have completely failed to see Dodgy's point in that you MAY be refused an account.

 

If you have nothing positive to say and are only interested in 'point' scoring I would suggest you stay off the forum

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If you have nothing positive to say and are only interested in 'point' scoring I would suggest you stay off the forum

 

Hey toddle2u. Bankruptcy is so hard, so emotional, and for me personally, such a pain.

 

Can we all stop fighting each other now, and help each other as we want to.

 

I understand that not everybody has the same opinion about every subject.

 

I give my opinion with verve, and vigour, and always with true honesty as the way i feel it.

 

Im also often wrong. Thats the way it is, thats all we can do,

 

BE HONEST.

 

PHAT. My Friend. I really value your opinions, and i dont, for one second suggest i am right and everybody else is wrong.

 

I mean you no harm, and wish you the very best for your future.

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Hey toddle2u. Bankruptcy is so hard, so emotional, and for me personally, such a pain.

 

Can we all stop fighting each other now, and help each other as we want to.

 

DG agree with this. Lets all move on and get back to helping people which is the whole idea. Infighting gets none of us anywhere

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Just wanted to add that I too have been allowed to keep my Natwest Step and E-savings accounts, and also a Business bank account (a Foundation account which is the business equiv of a Step account). So far I have been able to use them all, although only with internet banking since the OR took my bank cards.

 

I only opened the accounts a few months before deciding to go bankrupt, never had an overdraft and always kept the account within the rules, i.e. no failed payments etc. Also none of my debt was to Natwest (directly) - not sure if this helped.

 

I had started to wonder if the receivers had forgotten to tell them, but now know they have. I haven't been discharged yet but the OR has started the early discharge process which is great - after only 5 months. I suppose the proof will be if they still let me keep and use the accounts after discharge, anyone in that position?

 

Not sure whether I should ask them for new bank cards? :confused:

 

I did open a co-op account as well just in case and so far that's fine too.

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Just to confirm this, I spoke to a nice girl at Natwest and she said that you are indeed allowed to keep a Step account when you are bankrupt. Bit annoying the OR took my debit card, but the bank are going to send me a nice new one.

Good start to the New Year! :)

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Yes, indeed pre paid marstercards are excellent. They had them in the states for many years, going back about 15 yrs ago, and its good that the Uk have finally caught on. Maybe we wouldn't have the massive consumer debt the uk has if these cards came along sooner.

 

BTW, if anyone is requiring a Business account, Natwest offer the 'Foundation Account'. You have to be discharged from bankruptcy, but they offer cheque book, debit card, online banking, DD's, Standing Orders etc etc. But NO Overdraft initially.

But then you dont want to go down that road if youv'e just come out of bankruptcy do you?!

 

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With a Co-op cashminder account they now issue a Visa debit card which (according to the visa debit article on Wikipedia) is accepted internationally both online and in most shops, therefore there is no need for a pre-paid credit card in that case. Natwest also now issue a visa debit card for the Step account. If an online store offers PayPal as an option you can use Maestro cards too.

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if anyone is requiring a Business account, NatWest offer the 'Foundation Account'. You have to be discharged from bankruptcy

 

You possibly would need to be discharged to open a new account (the guy at Natwest couldn't confirm that) but if you have already opened a Foundation account and are then declared bankrupt, you will be allowed to keep and use it as normal. Natwest have confirmed it is the business equivalent of the Step account. You also get to keep and use the cheque book (unlike the Step account), online banking, etc.

 

The only downside is that the OR will take your debit cards etc. off you but if you phone Natwest they will send you a new one. Alternatively you could tell the OR that you know you will be allowed to keep this account and ask if you can therefore keep your cards, chequebook etc.

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