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    • Received a final demand today Final demand.pdf
    • Here is my final draft: I, XXXXXX, being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in the claim and further to my set aside application dated 1 November 2022. The claimants witness statement confirms that it mostly relies on hearsay evidence as confirmed by the drafts in person in the opening paragraph. It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act.   1.        The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date.   2.        I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment.   As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party.   3.        The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’.  The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents.   4.        Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018.   5.        I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020.   6.        Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicotors is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’   7.        I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’.   8.        The claimant relies upon and exhibits a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement.   It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HH Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’.   The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause.   9.        Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not try to mislead the court.   10.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024
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    • Hi folks, I've just found previous documentation. I thought it had gone missing. I'd forgotten that I did appeal it through POPLA but I can't find the thread on here that, I assume, I posted for help. Appeal letter is dated 27/10/2020 with a rejection. I genuinely had forgotten about this so apologies for misleading you. A lot has happened in the years since the ticket was issued. We closed down a couple of businesses and moved to the opposite end of the country to retire. The documents I have are scanned copies. I no longer have the originals. The NTK is also in there. If there's anything you'd like to see, please let me know and I'll post them, although it probably won't be until tomorrow now, but I'll be looking in on this page tonight. Thank you for the responses so far
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Well an update from me. Got a letter from the courts yesterday saying the claim had been struck out as DCl had not paid the allocation fee.

 

I am now considering claiming for the time I have spent dealing with them from the courts.....................

 

Thanks for all your help everyone and good sound advice in particular 42 man - your an absolute star!

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Excellent S4

 

DCL are quite keen on the court process, I didn't think they would fancy explaining themselves in court.

 

this will offer encouragement to other who get a claim form for a couple of hundred quid and no worthwhile particulars of claim

 

Well done :D

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Hi all,

 

Does anyone know if there is a fee for claiming costs by submitting a N252 form and detailed assesment of costs?

 

All new to me......

 

big thanks!

 

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Submitted N252 form and now awaiting response from them. I'm hoping they dont pay so I can send in the bailiffs........

 

Will keep you all posted on how it goes............

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Well now i'm really confused!

 

Just rang the court to see if DCL had submitted any points of dispute. The court said not and time for them to do this had now elapsed.

 

I was filling out the Certificate to send back and following the guidelines when it said I needed to include 'the order awarding costs'. I assumed this would be sent to me when DCL didn't reply with there points of dispute so I rang back the court to see if this had been sent. The court advised me that the 'order awarding costs' would have been sent originally if the court had awarded costs, but as the claim had been struck out I could not claim costs. Is this correct?

 

If anyone could advise that would be great.

 

cheers

 

s4ddy

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Have read through those threads but still none the wiser. Those threads and CPR seem to indicate I can claim but the court is telling me I can't.

 

Can anyone give me any clarification?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

s4ddys

 

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Well result, sent off the forms last week and received a default costs certificate yesterday morning for just over £200.

 

Will be donating 10% to the site when my cheque clears!

 

Big thanks tp everyone who has helped me!

 

regards

 

s4ddy

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I have a thread going in debt collectorslink8.gif section with regards to similar scenario with these people

I have just been advised that seems they don't have a consumer credit license and their website is now disabled

 

Aren't Debit Card Loans part of 4Cashnow which is run by V Gates Ltd ?

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Must be a different company -I'm helping someone with a debt to the Debit Card Loans company I posted above.

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I have a thread going in debt collectorslink8.gif section with regards to similar scenario with these people

I have just been advised that seems they don't have a consumer credit license and their website is now disabled

 

It seems they do have a licence:

 

©2009 Debitcard Loans Ltd. Consumer Credit Licence No: 583682

 

I am new to the forum, i have read this thread with extreem interest as I am currently in a trap with this particular company myself, i have since checked the signed doucments that i sent in when i took out this loan with debit card loans last june and can see that they do have a blank signed standing order mandate - nightmare!! it feels like im going to be paying these idiots £60 a month forever, my loan is only £300, as soon as I get paid every month they take £60 before ive even got out of my bed! how can i stop them doing this without changing my joint bank account which would be a real pain, i really just want to get this paid back but fear that they wont accept a relistic repayment plan and probably will just end up clearing my account if i even tried to suggest this. please help

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It seems they do have a licence:

 

©2009 Debitcard Loans Ltd. Consumer Credit Licence No: 583682

 

I am new to the forum, i have read this thread with extreem interest as I am currently in a trap with this particular company myself, i have since checked the signed doucments that i sent in when i took out this loan with debit card loans last june and can see that they do have a blank signed standing order mandate - nightmare!! it feels like im going to be paying these idiots £60 a month forever, my loan is only £300, as soon as I get paid every month they take £60 before ive even got out of my bed! how can i stop them doing this without changing my joint bank account which would be a real pain, i really just want to get this paid back but fear that they wont accept a relistic repayment plan and probably will just end up clearing my account if i even tried to suggest this. please help

 

Welcome to CAG Vicky

 

If they are being paid by debit card you will need to report it lost/stolen. As for standing orders they will set up for all sorts of figures. Some banks think they look iffy and their fraud dept will contact you to see if you are happy with it. Failing this you will need to keep a close eye on your account. The safest way with this company is a new bank account as they have been known to set up a standing order and take payment on the same day. Once your income is safe you can negotiate and they do accept low figures each month. As you will see from this thread they do issue court claims but unlikely they will follow it through if you challenge them like on this thread!

Good luck

 

As for charges warn you bank in writing not to accept any mandates from this company. It may not work but give you some ammo if they charge you.

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Hi Vicky,

 

Robjam has given good advice about your bank account, I too did not want to change as I would have had trouble getting one with a visa debit etc. The best thing to do is just keep your eye on your bank account to make sure they do not set up a standing order, and if they do just cancel it. Internet banking is usally helpful, I checked mine daily for four months just to make sure.

 

Send a letter to the company revoking the right to set up any standing order on your account, and send a copy to your bank and ask for a response from both to ensure this has been done.

 

I will run you through stage by stage what happened with my account with DCL.

 

I took out a loan for £165 and rolled over paying approx £40 per month interest for 5 months. Total paid to them £200.

 

I cancelled my debit card, and sent them the telephone harrassment letter to stop them contacting me at work etc.

 

They then sent a couple of letters saying I owed £465 including charges, I then sent the CCA Request letter including a breakdown of charges. In the meantime they tried to set up three standing orders on my current account which I cancelled so no payment was taken. I then wrote to the Financial Ombudsman.

 

They sent back the CCA, but no breakdown of charges, and court papers claiming £465.

 

I completed the acknowledge of service and sent them a CPR 31.14 (i think) asking for a copy of the Credit agreement and charges, they never sent this.

 

I submitted my defence to the court including the fact they had not replied to my CPR31.14, all about the fraudulent standing orders and the fact I had already paid £200 which I felt covered the orginal £165 plus fair interest.

 

They failed to pay the fee for the hearing, the claim was struck out.

 

I then claimed costs for time I had spent researching, filling out forms, replying to correspondence etc.

 

Court granted my costs and I got a cheque for £200 yesterday.

 

So my advice would be stick with it, if you have paid back a lot more than the original £300 I would write to them and tell them this, if they threaten to take you to court, explain to them you will see it all the way through, and claim costs if they do not.

 

Sometimes I think court action is best because at least them the matter is dealt with, but that is just my opinion.

 

There are plenty of kind people on this site who will help you along the way!

 

All the best and keep your chin up.

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Thankyou so much for your advice with this, ive been thinking about it alot ive read through all the comments on this thread and ive decided im going all the way this time, these companies are no better than loan sharks even if they have a ''consumer credit licence'' im sure that ive paid them over £500 and my inital loan was only £300 i think this alone would stand up in court their interest rates are just unbelievable but as you all know when your desperate they take advantage of you. I have just made yet another £60 payment to them but ill be ready next time, ive rang my bank who are sending me out a new debit card, i will also get the telephone harrasment letter out to them just before the next payment is due and then ill hit them with the letter refusing to accept any standing order mandate set up by them. I have searched my emails and found the original email thats states to leave the standing order mandate blank - why i did not see through this i dont know, i will then go from there, ill keep you all posted!

Could you give me the best correspondence address for them? do you advise i send all my letters recorded delivery??

Many thanks again for your help with this, this forum is soo helpful and makes you realise that your not alone!

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Hi Vicky,

 

Good for you standing up to them!

 

THe best address is 834 Dunstable road, Luton, and yes always send everything recorded delivery and dont for get to send your £1 fee if you are requesting a copy of your credit agreement.

 

Keep a record of what you have sent and who signed for it, ref nos etc. A spreadsheet worked best for me.

 

Good luck!

 

s4

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