ACS:Law copyright file sharing claims, Gallant Macmillan - and probably some others along the way...

[queen-peanut]

i got a response from the SRA today too, they are looking into the matter now. plus a girl from GM told me directly that if i send a lod in, they automatically drop the case! but i think its fair to say, i think the girl was work experience as when i started talkin dsl, packet etc, she said ''er'' alot!!

[Scooby Doo69]

i got a response from the SRA today too, they are looking into the matter now. plus a girl from GM told me directly that if i send a lod in, they automatically drop the case! but i think its fair to say, i think the girl was work experience as when i started talkin dsl, packet etc, she said ''er'' alot!!

 

Not quite right. Davenport Lyons's business model was recently leaked via Wikileaks. They put you into a catogory. One extreme that they will not pursue is someone who denies and has official legal representation, to those who respond with indepth technical knowledge as to how their evidence is flawed. At the other end they go after the ones who admit guilt or disclose enough information to warrant pursing.

 

In other words, who is going to pay. To think there is enough money out there to enable these solicitors to prioritise who is going to pay and who isn't.

 

One thing is for sure, if ACS Law had taken someone to Court and had one it would be plastered all over their web site front page.

[Scooby Doo69]

@ Scooby Doo69

 

Is there any evidence that Deep packet inspection is actually being used? I would imagine that they are just joining a swarm, collecting IP addresses and then maybe seeing if the IP addresses collected actually offer chunks of the file for uplaod / downlaod.

 

They may just be collecting the IP addresses and not even checking anything else.

 

I think that DPI would more likely happen in the case of the ISP like Virgin are currently trialing.

 

I believe so where Digiprotect are involved. Otherwise, you are quite right, they connect to a swarm and hoover up IP addresses for those uploading.

[Scooby Doo69]

Guys - Which and the BBC have been in touch with me.... for a number of personal reasons I said no to an interview ( one been the job I do ) how ever I can tell you The One Show are investigating this and will be doing some thing soon....

 

Needless to say I had a good chat including to the researcher in ( I think cos I do waffel ) how this all works from a techy point of view.

 

Its more rife though as one of my mates got the cascada one today....

 

Terran

 

The One Show are crying out for someone to interview, but to date no one has come forward. They love this sort of thing and the thought of Dom chasing down and confronting Andrew of ACS is too funny to imagine.

 

Come on Guys, go for it!

Edited July 12, 2010 by Scooby Doo69

[Scooby Doo69]

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[queen-peanut]

sky are sending me a letter to say that i have done everything in my power to stop me from being hacked etc, like i said above they have agreed to let me buy my own more secure router and gallant and macmillan will drop the case on me personally once i have sent the letter back. plus, (currently in my dads house using his laptop) when i spoke to sky, they stated that there was a lot of traffic through my modem as we spoke, which is good, considering my pc is gettin fixed, but its enough for sky to help out even more. what scares me the most was that next door but one has used 452GB this month alone, so makes me wonder how many more times i'll have to do all this cos of him. just wish i could stop him once and for all........can't wait to get my new modem

[kenkneeb]

Been sent a threatening letter from Gallant Macmillan re: copyright for ministry of sound using bittorrent P2P network, has anyone got any advice, has it happened to you, what do I need to do next

[queen-peanut]

send a letter of denial, or ignore it, pop it in the file marked ''bin''

[Systorm]

sky are sending me a letter to say that i have done everything in my power to stop me from being hacked etc, like i said above they have agreed to let me buy my own more secure router and gallant and macmillan will drop the case on me personally once i have sent the letter back. plus, (currently in my dads house using his laptop) when i spoke to sky, they stated that there was a lot of traffic through my modem as we spoke, which is good, considering my pc is gettin fixed, but its enough for sky to help out even more. what scares me the most was that next door but one has used 452GB this month alone, so makes me wonder how many more times i'll have to do all this cos of him. just wish i could stop him once and for all........can't wait to get my new modem

 

Use the mac filter on the router, it only allows the mac addresses of the computers you add to the list. Set this up using a desktop which is directly connected to the router!

[televisionuser]

HI

 

My Dad also got the letter from Gallant Macmillan the other day asking for £375.

 

Now my dads on Job seakers so cannot pay that much and don't even know how to use a PC.

 

My parants are saying to ignore the letter.

 

Now the file may have been downloaded but on my mates laptop or someone one got into our Sky Router.

 

Should I send a LOD?

[queen-peanut]

Use the mac filter on the router, it only allows the mac addresses of the computers you add to the list. Set this up using a desktop which is directly connected to the router!---- cheers, me new router has arrived so i'll wait for me pc to come home too xx

[tp123]

 

Is there any evidence that Deep packet inspection is actually being used? I would imagine that they are just joining a swarm, collecting IP addresses and then maybe seeing if the IP addresses collected actually offer chunks of the file for uplaod / downlaod.

 

They may just be collecting the IP addresses and not even checking anything else.

 

I think that DPI would more likely happen in the case of the ISP like Virgin are currently trialing.

 

 

A while back letters from ACS Law provided details of the "forensic IT specialists" - namely NG3 Systems Limited. It is thought that the program used is the one advertised on their website:

 

eyeNet

eyeNet Is a Powerful & Fast Traffic Analayser Featuring DPI - Deep Packet Inspection Technology

 

There is more info on this (rather dodgy looking) company further back in this thread - since this information was published on here, ACS Law have stopped providing their details in the recent letters.

[kenkneeb]

I got my letter today i feel a lot better now after seeing im not the only one. I read that there is a template for a letter which i can use how do i go about downloading or seeing what to put in my letter thanx

 

I would also like a copy of the template letter, as this is getting to me, I received a letter saturday and I have no idea what to do about it

[youtube]

For all the people asking about "deep packet inspection" this is a form of interception mainly used by ISP's if they are monitoring what somebody is doing, it has to be based at the ISP because all of their traffic flows through.

 

Deep packet inspection is useless for what these monitoring companies do as the computer they are talking to over a P2P network sends the complete packet to their computer anyway, so they have the full packet anyway (A packet is the way computers send info to each other) why would they need to snoop on it again?

[tp123]

For all the people asking about "deep packet inspection" this is a form of interception mainly used by ISP's if they are monitoring what somebody is doing, it has to be based at the ISP because all of their traffic flows through.

 

Deep packet inspection is useless for what these monitoring companies do as the computer they are talking to over a P2P network sends the complete packet to their computer anyway, so they have the full packet anyway (A packet is the way computers send info to each other) why would they need to snoop on it again?

 

So they can do it remotely? ie inspect the traffic between a known host (the file seeder) and the clients that connect to it to (the download/uplaoder) - it would make sense to do it this way as it guarantees that the host remains anonymous.

[TADDOX]

So they actually are monitoring data transfer, and not just getting the IP addresses of the swarm? That's a more honest strategy than what I assumed these companies were up to

[tp123]

So they actually are monitoring data transfer, and not just getting the IP addresses of the swarm? That's a more honest strategy than what I assumed these companies were up to

 

To be honest I don't know for sure - I just think it's more than coincidence that ACS reveiled their IT experts as NG3 Systems Ltd who also happen to be advertising a DPI program on their site.

[youtube]

So they can do it remotely? ie inspect the traffic between a known host (the file seeder) and the clients that connect to it to (the download/uplaoder) - it would make sense to do it this way as it guarantees that the host remains anonymous.

 

Its impossible for them to intercept a transfer mid flight between two computers to examine the packets without some seriously powerful software and if they did this with out a proper legal consent I am quite sure it would be a highly illegal practice, and would also require direct access to major internet backbones / isp's networks (or they plant viruses but that is all getting a bit xfiles and way over their capability). This is why ISPs usually only use DPI as all of their customers traffic has to travel through their network at some point, allowing them access. ACS:LAW's / GM's monitoring company would have no data transferring over their network/internet unless they are directly connected to a computer this is why they have to connect to the P2P network, then what would the point of having DPI be as they already have the complete packets entering their computers.

 

What it is thought they do is enter a P2P network and broadcast they want certain files from the company they are acting on behalf of, any uploads to their computers are logged (ip address, client software and time stamp). a "whois" is done on the IP immediately and the Isp logged. If it is a uk ip then they keep it, other ips that are not from the uk are binned.

 

ISP's use DPI from my understanding to help with traffic shaping, ie they will find out if your using p2p and throttle your connection to allow other users more bandwidth to watch iplayer or browse etc. Usually happens when your exchange suffers from contention. Maybe the police use it also to help catch terrorists etc that's just pure speculation though.

 

If you are interested in whois check out this site. http://cqcounter.com/whois/

Edited July 12, 2010 by youtube

[tp123]

[...]What it is thought they do is enter a P2P network and broadcast they want certain files from the company they are acting on behalf of, any uploads to their computers are logged (ip address, client software and time stamp).

 

Yeah, that all makes sense. Also, I do remember reading somewhere that an adapted torrent client was being used?

 

However they do it - it doesn't seem that accurate does it?! On the date they accuse me of this, we only had a Wii console connected to the router!

[youtube]

Yeah, that all makes sense. Also, I do remember reading somewhere that an adapted torrent client was being used?

 

However they do it - it doesn't seem that accurate does it?! On the date they accuse me of this, we only had a Wii console connected to the router!

 

lol your memory must be amazing. If they are just randomly bashing IP addresses into WHOis and finding UK ips then accusing them of downloading some low budget production, then no its no accurate and highly illegal and they would probably end up with long prison sentances. I am 99.99999% sure they wouldn't do this though and their methods are a little more accurate. For some reason when routers are issued to customers they do not come with high security levels and are very vulnerable to attack, there are tutorials freely available just do a google search, also there are hardware dongles that can do all the password cracking you would need to enter somebody's router. This vulnerability is the probable cause of an allegation aimed at yourself (if you are innocent) it is impossible to prove this has happened / didn't happen on the time/date. A quick search of networks in my area reveals around 11 wireless routers/connections, 3 of which have no security and I could access if I pleased (mine now has full WPA2 to stop anything like this happening again to me, although even WPA2 is not completely safe).

Edited July 12, 2010 by youtube

[Systorm]

I found this earlier...

 

Gallant MacMillan ?Latest entrants into the hall of Infamy? demand Money for ?Ministry of Sound? Received a letter from ACS LAW?

 

it states at the end "I would urge ANYONE who has received one of these letters who are innocent to contact the SRA."

 

Solicitors Regulation Authority - Contact us

 

Should we all be doing this, the more the better...

[hooper]

hi. ive just recieved a letter from acs law saying i downloaded "evacuate the dancefloor(the work)"on the 28 aug last year. they are proposing a £295 settlement fee due within 21 days. i cannot find the file on my pc although i have downloaded files using bit torrents b4. i cannot find any records of my pc being online at that time...i believe i was on my way to brighton on holiday. whats the best course of action?

 

thanks in advance

hooper

[tp123]

Whats bothering me about this is the lack of information about this monitoring software, bearing in mind that these NPO's are granted based on the evidence obtained from it, I wander if there is some kind of industry standard or quality requirments that this software is required to conform to? Surely there should be if it is used evidentually.

[scooby555]

hi i got another letter today about 6-7 months after i got the first 1 should i send a LOD or just ingore this 1 as well,

[zero_flight]

hi i got another letter today about 6-7 months after i got the first 1 should i send a LOD or just ingore this 1 as well,

 

If you have not already send a LOD, do not ignore them as it could make matters worse. What makes me laugh is why has it taken so long to get back to you. Probably to busy with their mass mailing.