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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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Hi, I'm about to write my first LOD to GM. (I KNOW for a fact that I did not download what they said I did, so am pretty sure my wireless connection has been breached, or someone's made a mistake somewhere).

 

As far as pre-action protocol is concerned- 1) would I be breaching it if I simply denied downloading/uploading the file and didn't give a long winded reply about what I think might have happened (its all spectulation anyway!)? I know the current advice is to give a LOD with very little detail in but has this bitten people in the bottom at all?

 

2) Have GM breached pre-action protocol at all? The letter I recieved makes no mention of it. It was basically "pay £350/£375 or we can take you to court", which in itself I feel is a breach, but I have no legal knowledge on which to base this assumption. I would love to be able to trip them up on the very points they are trying to use to their advantage. There's more of us- we should be able to think of something.

 

This whole farce has caused me to lose sleep and weight. The stress is causing problems concentrating and enjoying my life. These people are **** in my opinion- they know full well that there will be some margin of error in all this and that innocent people will be caught up in it. And even if it were about "stopping people downloading" what's wrong with a reasonable settlement and a warning. I know people who download cos they think they won't get caught. I've told them about my letter (ironic or what?) and its stopping them doing it right away, so well done GM you've done your bit, but I refuse to let you pin the blame on and penalise me for something I simply haven't done.

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Hi, I'm about to write my first LOD to GM. (I KNOW for a fact that I did not download what they said I did, so am pretty sure my wireless connection has been breached, or someone's made a mistake somewhere).

 

As far as pre-action protocol is concerned- 1) would I be breaching it if I simply denied downloading/uploading the file and didn't give a long winded reply about what I think might have happened (its all spectulation anyway!)? I know the current advice is to give a LOD with very little detail in but has this bitten people in the bottom at all?

 

2) Have GM breached pre-action protocol at all? The letter I recieved makes no mention of it. It was basically "pay £350/£375 or we can take you to court", which in itself I feel is a breach, but I have no legal knowledge on which to base this assumption. I would love to be able to trip them up on the very points they are trying to use to their advantage. There's more of us- we should be able to think of something.

 

This whole farce has caused me to lose sleep and weight. The stress is causing problems concentrating and enjoying my life. These people are **** in my opinion- they know full well that there will be some margin of error in all this and that innocent people will be caught up in it. And even if it were about "stopping people downloading" what's wrong with a reasonable settlement and a warning. I know people who download cos they think they won't get caught. I've told them about my letter (ironic or what?) and its stopping them doing it right away, so well done GM you've done your bit, but I refuse to let you pin the blame on and penalise me for something I simply haven't done.

 

All you have to write is, I didn't do it and you have satisfied the rules as far as I'm aware, they won't accept it no matter what you write.

 

As far as pre-action protocol goes, this is what it says about the letter of claim they have sent you:

 

3. LETTER OF CLAIM

3.1 An intended claimant (hereafter referred to as “the claimant”) should

generally send the intended defendant (hereafter referred to as “the

defendant”) a letter of claim as soon as is reasonably possible after

coming into possession of the relevant facts complained about.

3.2 The letter of claim should:

(a) state that the letter follows this Code and that the defendant should

also do so;

(b) unless the letter is being sent to the legal advisors of the defendant,

enclose a copy of this Code;

© identify the claimant;

(d) list the remedies that the claimant seeks;

(e) give details of any funding arrangements entered into.

 

I would bet money they didn't send you a copy of the code as they are required to do, its 22 pages long and would add a fortune to their postage costs, so they actually breach the code themselves but expect you to play by its rules.

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I wonder what they would say if you wrote back stating you did not accept their letter not accepting your LOD because their letter is a template?

Exactly, I’m still flabbergasted by all this. It’s nothing more than the Nigerian [problem] but operated by unscrupulous solicitors manipulating our legal system for quick financial gain. The ambulance chasing compo claims sector must be a bit thin on the ground for these **** so trying a new approach to make easy money!

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I wonder what they would say if you wrote back stating you did not accept their letter not accepting your LOD because their letter is a template?

 

This is one point I had to make in my letter, it's just outrageous that hey think they can be as hypocrtitical as this!!! Really gets my back up!!

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Got my 2nd letter of the awesome solicitors todays...stating that the letter i sent them is a template...funny thing is the letter i actually sent them was all in my own words....it clearly stated that i was not responsible for downloading the crappy dance album etc......i am gonna write them another letter, telling them exactly the same and that i am now seeking legal advise about how they are harassing me. Was thinking along the lines of popping into there offices and delivering the letter personally...but don't think they would take too kindly to the letter being attached to a brick!! Actually finding it funny how the letters are signed by a Gallant MacMillan....his/her parents must have a sense of humour with that name! lol

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Evening all,

 

I've been reading this thread since my first letter from GM dated 27/09.

 

I responded using a modified/personalised version of the template LOD on here (thanks for making that available), and have today received the same second letter as a few posts ago (word for word).

 

I've just drafted a second letter - before I send it, how does this sound?:

 

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am in receipt of your second template letter dated 9 August 2010. I see that in this second template letter, you state that

“…your letter takes the form of a standard template response obtained from the internet.”

If you had actually taken the time to read this letter properly, you would see that it was merely based upon a standard and freely available template letter (unlike the letters you are sending), and was in fact largely rewritten.

In that first letter, I stated my position quite clearly, and I will state it again one final time; I categorically deny the offence of which you are accusing me.

Unless I am very much mistaken, in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty, and I cannot see how guilt can be proven in this case, as there are only your assumptions and ‘speculative’, as opposed to concrete, evidence. As I stated before, I can only conclude that if this infringement has actually occurred, then I have been a victim of foul play, as researching the subject online shows that IP addresses are very often ‘faked’ by users of P2P networks, meaning the actual offender can easily hide behind an innocent person’s IP address, which appears to be the case in this instance.

This is my second and final letter in this matter, and no further correspondence will be entered in to. I trust that in the absence of any concrete evidence to substantiate this claim, this will be the end of this matter and you will no longer be harassing me.

Yours faithfully,

 

 

Does that sound OK?

 

 

 

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Evening all,

 

I've been reading this thread since my first letter from GM dated 27/09.

 

I responded using a modified/personalised version of the template LOD on here (thanks for making that available), and have today received the same second letter as a few posts ago (word for word).

 

I've just drafted a second letter - before I send it, how does this sound?:

 

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am in receipt of your second template letter dated 9 August 2010. I see that in this second template letter, you state that

“…your letter takes the form of a standard template response obtained from the internet.”

If you had actually taken the time to read this letter properly, you would see that it was merely based upon a standard and freely available template letter (unlike the letters you are sending), and was in fact largely rewritten.

In that first letter, I stated my position quite clearly, and I will state it again one final time; I categorically deny the offence of which you are accusing me.

Unless I am very much mistaken, in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty, and I cannot see how guilt can be proven in this case, as there are only your assumptions and ‘speculative’, as opposed to concrete, evidence. As I stated before, I can only conclude that if this infringement has actually occurred, then I have been a victim of foul play, as researching the subject online shows that IP addresses are very often ‘faked’ by users of P2P networks, meaning the actual offender can easily hide behind an innocent person’s IP address, which appears to be the case in this instance.

This is my second and final letter in this matter, and no further correspondence will be entered in to. I trust that in the absence of any concrete evidence to substantiate this claim, this will be the end of this matter and you will no longer be harassing me.

Yours faithfully,

 

 

Does that sound OK?

 

 

 

 

Very nice,could this be the future template letter for a second reply?

 

would it be OK with you to copy some of this for my letter

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Very nice,could this be the future template letter for a second reply?

 

would it be OK with you to copy some of this for my letter

 

Now you're making me blush :-)

 

Yes - feel free to copy some if you like - I've just written it as I see it.

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Now you're making me blush :-)

 

Yes - feel free to copy some if you like - I've just written it as I see it.

 

 

 

 

Did the same,modified and personalised a template letter,so I'm expecting the same response.

 

 

 

As a matter of interest,how many people have complained to SRA?

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Evening all,

 

I've been reading this thread since my first letter from GM dated 27/09.

 

I responded using a modified/personalised version of the template LOD on here (thanks for making that available), and have today received the same second letter as a few posts ago (word for word).

 

I've just drafted a second letter - before I send it, how does this sound?:

 

 

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

 

 

 

Dear Sir/Madam,

 

I am in receipt of your second template letter dated 9 August 2010. I see that in this second template letter, you state that

 

“…your letter takes the form of a standard template response obtained from the internet.”

 

If you had actually taken the time to read this letter properly, you would see that it was merely based upon a standard and freely available template letter (unlike the letters you are sending), and was in fact largely rewritten.

 

In that first letter, I stated my position quite clearly, and I will state it again one final time; I categorically deny the offence of which you are accusing me.

 

Unless I am very much mistaken, in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty, and I cannot see how guilt can be proven in this case, as there are only your assumptions and ‘speculative’, as opposed to concrete, evidence. As I stated before, I can only conclude that if this infringement has actually occurred, then I have been a victim of foul play, as researching the subject online shows that IP addresses are very often ‘faked’ by users of P2P networks, meaning the actual offender can easily hide behind an innocent person’s IP address, which appears to be the case in this instance.

 

This is my second and final letter in this matter, and no further correspondence will be entered in to. I trust that in the absence of any concrete evidence to substantiate this claim, this will be the end of this matter and you will no longer be harassing me.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

 

Does that sound OK?

 

 

 

 

Wonderfully worded but, as you menion about your initial reply, they probably won't take the time to read it.

Take a look at this from a forerunner of GM. (I would think that they operate in much the same way given that Davenport Lyons are Partners of DigiRights Solutions who are collecting the data for GM):

 

http://www.wikileaks.com/wiki/Davenport_Lyons_and_DigiProtect_Actionpoints_for_filesharers,_14_Jan_2009

and the form (checklist?) :

http://file.wikileaks.org/file/davenport-lyons-and-digiprotect-filesharer-actionpoints.pdf

Note the line under Circumstances

"copied from fora" (Does this mean Fora as in the seldom used plural of Forum?)

 

I would imagine that the only form of reply that they would truly accept is one admitting the offence.

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Evening all,

 

I've been reading this thread since my first letter from GM dated 27/09.

 

I responded using a modified/personalised version of the template LOD on here (thanks for making that available), and have today received the same second letter as a few posts ago (word for word).

 

I've just drafted a second letter - before I send it, how does this sound?:

 

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am in receipt of your second template letter dated 9 August 2010. I see that in this second template letter, you state that

“…your letter takes the form of a standard template response obtained from the internet.”

If you had actually taken the time to read this letter properly, you would see that it was merely based upon a standard and freely available template letter (unlike the letters you are sending), and was in fact largely rewritten.

In that first letter, I stated my position quite clearly, and I will state it again one final time; I categorically deny the offence of which you are accusing me.

Unless I am very much mistaken, in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty, and I cannot see how guilt can be proven in this case, as there are only your assumptions and ‘speculative’, as opposed to concrete, evidence. As I stated before, I can only conclude that if this infringement has actually occurred, then I have been a victim of foul play, as researching the subject online shows that IP addresses are very often ‘faked’ by users of P2P networks, meaning the actual offender can easily hide behind an innocent person’s IP address, which appears to be the case in this instance.

This is my second and final letter in this matter, and no further correspondence will be entered in to. I trust that in the absence of any concrete evidence to substantiate this claim, this will be the end of this matter and you will no longer be harassing me.

Yours faithfully,

 

 

Does that sound OK?

 

 

 

 

Why without prejudice?

 

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Wonderfully worded but, as you menion about your initial reply, they probably won't take the time to read it.

Take a look at this from a forerunner of GM. (I would think that they operate in much the same way given that Davenport Lyons are Partners of DigiRights Solutions who are collecting the data for GM):

 

http://www.wikileaks.com/wiki/Davenport_Lyons_and_DigiProtect_Actionpoints_for_filesharers,_14_Jan_2009

and the form (checklist?) :

http://file.wikileaks.org/file/davenport-lyons-and-digiprotect-filesharer-actionpoints.pdf

Note the line under Circumstances

"copied from fora" (Does this mean Fora as in the seldom used plural of Forum?)

 

I would imagine that the only form of reply that they would truly accept is one admitting the offence.

 

I notice one of the circumstances is "credit card declined". :( I'll be honest. I got the letter and thought there was no way I could prove my innocence and I was scared of being taken to court and having everything taken off me and I tried to pay it. I just wanted it to go away- I've got enough to worry about as it is. I wasn't thinking straight cos I even tried to use an expired card! Rather naively I thought they wouldn't know because the money wouldn't have gone to them. I'm determined to fight this though cos I've done nothing wrong. I know I didn't download that file.

 

I don't know what to do now. Can't afford to pay the £350 and I don't see why I should when I've done nothing wrong.:Cry:

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I notice one of the circumstances is "credit card declined". :( I'll be honest. I got the letter and thought there was no way I could prove my innocence and I was scared of being taken to court and having everything taken off me and I tried to pay it. I just wanted it to go away- I've got enough to worry about as it is. I wasn't thinking straight cos I even tried to use an expired card! Rather naively I thought they wouldn't know because the money wouldn't have gone to them. I'm determined to fight this though cos I've done nothing wrong. I know I didn't download that file.

 

I don't know what to do now. Can't afford to pay the £350 and I don't see why I should when I've done nothing wrong.:Cry:

 

 

If you are definate you did not do it,send them a letter saying you have reconsidered your position and you are denying their claim,if they take you to court(unlikley)what proof do they have?

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I received the ACS law letter for evacuate the dancefloor a couple of months back now.

 

Spoke to the CAB and they writ a LOD and sent for me, as yet nerver heard anything back

 

How long does it nomally take to get a 2nd letter from ACS or have they now given up

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Well I don't think they can say my letter is a template...**** off!!! Sometimes few words speak volumes :-)

 

Wouldn't we like to know what their response to a reply like this is ...

Could it be that..... " it bears a resemeblance to something that can be found on the internet" ....

You could say that every possible thing you could write in your reply could be found on the Internet !!

 

But be careful http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880027_en_1

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Offence of sending letters etc. with intent to cause distress or anxiety

(1) Any person who sends to another person—

(a) a letter or other article which conveys—

(i) a message which is indecent or grossly offensive;

(ii)a threat; or

(iii) information which is false and known or believed to be false by the sender; or

(b) any other article which is, in whole or part, of an indecent or grossly offensive nature,

is guilty of an offence if his purpose, or one of his purposes, in sending it is that it should, so far as falling within paragraph (a) or (b) above, cause distress or anxiety to the recipient or to any other person to whom he intends that it or its contents or nature should be communicated.

 

Well if they are sending 2000-7000 letters out they must know that a proportion of the people receiving them will be innocent. There is a margin of error involved.

 

But they'd wriggles out of it because they will say

 

2) A person is not guilty of an offence by virtue of subsection (1)(a)(ii) above if he shows—

(a) that the threat was used to reinforce a demand which he believed he had reasonable grounds for making; and

(b) that he believed that the use of the threat was a proper means of reinforcing the demand.

They seem to believe whatever they like don't they if pound signs are involved, in my opinion.

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